Joe's Garage

[bliss]

So, Joe - you need to reconsider building a Cobra - even at 360 miles per year you are damaging the planet with each mile. It's doubtful that any other climate change supporter has a Cobra in the garage - you may be shunned by your peers. Of course, if you equip the Cobra with an electric 'engine' that will work for you and preserve your progressive status in the hood. Is that your plan?

With that said....

Full speed ahead with drill baby drill. Economic growth and prosperity is the only remedy for any problem that humankind faces.

Political control of our resources would be a disaster and still not fix the problem. This is a ruse from progressives to allocate goods and services.

The idea that we would tax the West to pay poor non-white countries NOT to prosper is immoral and corrupt.

[Joe's Garage]

bliss, I'm not worried about my "peers" as you put it, a quick question to them as to what they drive and how many miles/week should neutralize 90% of 'em.

I wouldn't call me a climate change "supporter", clearly there is more I can do. This thread has largely been if one believes climate change is real and man made. I recognize climate change as real and a CO2 ppm level of 400 proves it's man made. The difference between me and the deniers is I'm not going to complain about it when I'm forced to make some lifestyle changes, I'm already moving in that direction now. As already stated, this is a world problem - if the two big hitters besides us (China with oil & India with coal) don't get on board then future generations will pay the price in a big way, we need China and India or all bets are off.

As for the political angle, how do you build a coalition of countries to support climate change initiatives without world leaders meeting to reach a consensus? If you have a better way to get international buy-in to some plan without them let me know. Once a plan is established how do you implement and control it? If not by a country's governing body then by who? BTW, I doubt the good ol' USA with its' dysfunctional congress will actually lead the effort with climate change (although we are posturing like we are). I see the UK and European block countries taking the lead making us look bad, then maybe we'll get serious with it. Of course, continued weather extremes like we have seen recently may finally tip the scales, loss of property and life tends to be a great motivator.

The idea of taxing the West to pay poor third world countries to avoid prosperity via fossil fuels I don't believe is the case. We all live on the same rock, the longevity of all of its' inhabitants transcends any lagging industrial revolution, particularly when byproducts are found to be detrimental to the planet. However, taxing the west to pay these countries to help them develop and avoid a fossil fuel industrial revolution does make sense. After all, it is us (along with any reasonably developed country) who created the problem. A 3rd world country shouldn't be penalized because we got there first and found out later of the detrimental effects. I believe they do deserve financial aid to not use resources in a way harmful to the planet. This says nothing of tribes, small villages and island communities we already know have been totally displaced do to climate change.

[bliss]

Al Gore would be proud of you, but the Cobra has to go.

[Joe's Garage]

Sen. Jim Inhofe denies climate change, tosses snow ball in Congress, cites the bible to prove global warming isn't real.



What a jackass, they don't come any dumber than that.

With the sudden bang of a gavel Saturday night, representatives of 195 nations reached a landmark accord that will, for the first time, commit nearly every country to lowering planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions to help stave off the most drastic effects of climate change.

Those other countries will embarrass the US into passing laws to meet reduction commitments regardless of who gets elected and there's not a damn thing the deniers can do about it

[bliss]

So now you are citing political stuff - not allowed here so I will not respond with more political stuff.

Mods - let's close this thread.

[cycleguy55]

196 countries agreed to a global pact to reduce emissions as part of the method for reducing greenhouse gas. Their leaders and the vast majority of environmental scientists agreed the issue was pressing enough to negotiate and come to agreement on the issue of global climate change.

OTOH, we have numerous uneducated civilians, non-scientists, politicians and others who ignore the scientific consensus and point to a HANDFUL of naysayers (some even scientists) as the reason to stick their collective heads in the sand (or wedged tightly in their anal sphincters). Well, at least they're in the minority and can therefore do less damage.

[Jamo]

You guys keep up the political stuff (NOT ALLOWED HERE...SEE OTHER CLOSED THREAD...LOSING PATIENCE), and they'll add an addendum to the protocols banning this place due to all of the emissions coming from these pages.