The Anger Of The Left

[Cobrabill]

CDC-would be correct.WWIII will be against the Muslims.And it's started already.Some people are just too stupid to realize it.

[aharris]

Hey...


Canadians can be idiots too..

Andrew

[Ron61]

Andrew,

Why would you want to imitate us? Wayne may not agree with you.

Ron

[392cobra]

When I started this thread,this is one of the mulitudes I was thinking about:

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by 392cobra

When I started this thread,this is one of the mulitudes I was thinking about:

Now that is funny!

You know, she very possibly has hair on her chest.

[Jamo]

Fred...that is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen posted at this site. Well done.

I'd rather see the frog's ass.

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Fred...that is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen posted at this site. Well done.

I'd rather see the frog's ass.

It is worse than I thought then.

[tcrist]

CDC,
I am sorry to hear about your son. There is no way I would ever say anything bad about anyone in the service. I have a son in the Navy and am very proude of him. My son joined the Navy before 911 and has re-enlisted 2x.

Now as for the rules. In the context of your reply, "deal with him" or as I wrote "take care of him" sounds the same to me. It sounds like a threat. I have tried not to reply in this thread because debating with you or Commander is not possible. Either people agree with either one of you or they are wrong. There is no winner in a debate with either one of you. Either one of you do not want to debate. You want to argue and threaten. As far as my statment about Jamo "the moderator". I only see very little about what go's on at Club Cobra and on the threads. I might have stepped on his toes a bit. I do not know if I am correct or not about his moderating. I only know mostly the moderation on this thread. Jamo, If I am wrong, I appolige. If I am not, Then I don't. Everybody can have there own opinion on the subject.
I am out of this thread and have no intention of logging back on to it. The arguing is boring.

Terry

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by tcrist

CDC,
I am sorry to hear about your son. There is no way I would ever say anything bad about anyone in the service. I have a son in the Navy and am very proude of him. My son joined the Navy berore 911 and has re-enlisted 2x.

Now as for the rules. In the context of your reply, "deal with him" or as I wrote "take care of him" sounds the same to me. It sounds like a threat. I have tried not to reply in this thread because debating with you or Commander is not possible. Either people agree with either one of you or they are wrong. There is no winner in a debate with either one of you. Either one of you do not want to debate. You want to argue and threaten. As far as my statment about Jamo "the moderator". I only see very little about what go's on at Club Cobra and on the threads. I might have stepped on his toes a bit. I do not know if I am correct or not about his moderating. I only know mostly the moderation on this thread. Jamo, If I am wrong, I appolige. If I am not, Then I don't. Everybody can have there own opinion on the subject.
I am out of this thread and have no intention of logging back on to it. The arguing is boring.

Terry

Self-explanatory...

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by tcrist

CDC,
I am sorry to hear about your son. There is no way I would ever say anything bad about anyone in the service. I have a son in the Navy and am very proude of him. My son joined the Navy before 911 and has re-enlisted 2x.

Now as for the rules. In the context of your reply, "deal with him" or as I wrote "take care of him" sounds the same to me. It sounds like a threat. I have tried not to reply in this thread because debating with you or Commander is not possible. Either people agree with either one of you or they are wrong. There is no winner in a debate with either one of you. Either one of you do not want to debate. You want to argue and threaten. As far as my statment about Jamo "the moderator". I only see very little about what go's on at Club Cobra and on the threads. I might have stepped on his toes a bit. I do not know if I am correct or not about his moderating. I only know mostly the moderation on this thread. Jamo, If I am wrong, I appolige. If I am not, Then I don't. Everybody can have there own opinion on the subject.
I am out of this thread and have no intention of logging back on to it. The arguing is boring.

Terry

Terry - I've highlighted the key sentence. I'm not here to debate as it's not the place to change hearts or minds. So, you are correct - don't even attempt to debate me as you are wrong.

[aharris]

I had the pleasure of meeting a young man from Iowa last week. he was stopping by on his way from Iraq via Germany to Texas. His second tour and I must say he said he was getting quite disillusioned with the whole thing.

Hope they can all get home safely and soon.

Andrew

[Danr55]

I would like to post something that may contribute to this conversation. I have a 28 year old firend in Iraq on his fourth tour. He is a nurse, and as such sees the worst of the bad and even when it's good, it's bad. Note his comments about Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy.

"Well...
I cried yesterday... never thought it would get to me, especially after doing 4 of these trips without an incident. 1 U.S. soldier was coming to my ICU and they said he would be on paliative care, which means comfort only, no life saving procedures were to be given. About 6 or so of us sat at his bedside not saying a word, he was 22 years old. One of the nurses suggested that I go to the PAD and ask if we could get a family member on the phone to say some last words to him. I grabbed his paperwork and brought it to the Army personel responsible for contacting family and as i began to ask them if it was possible, i lost it... I realized it wasn't really about the kid in the ICU it was now about the family. He was going to pass and the family would be left to grieve and i could feel the pain they were about to experience. I went back to the patient and the doctor requested that i take him off the ventilator in 10 minutes. It's a very difficult thing to do when it's your piece of equipment that is keeping him alive. He had a massive injury to the head and for all intentions...he was already dead. We didn't treat it like that though, we cleaned him from head to toe, talked to him, prayed with him and the chaplin... the family never called, probably couldn't get through or the message didn't arrive, who knows. I removed him from the vent after looking at everyone in the room, i had to for some reason, almost make sure it was ok i guess. After, he was covered in a flag, the room called to attention and he was transported...

So it was a hard day, i was exhausted but i had to blow it off, i had 5 other patients waiting for me.
The next day, Garey Sinise...(lt. dan ) from forrest gump came through the icu's and met with the patients. It's nice when they come through, they're usually pretty gracious. I took a picture and emailed it to one of my patients house and printed him a copy, he seemed to get a kick out of it.

So it's pretty crazy over here, every day brings something i haven't done or seen ever in my life. Today 3 injured came in, two died the second had his chest cut wide open while i was assisting with intubation and ventilating...they pulled one of his lungs partially out of the hole in his chest and as i gave him breath, bubbles and blood shot out of the holes throughout his lungs. Seconds later they pronounced him. The third guy turned out to be his Father and he was shouting his sons name in the ER...

So it seems that this place is very morbid, but there are good things that happen all the time as well, i just rarely get to see it because of the nature of my position. There's always ugliness to war, but this is necessary because the option will ultimately prove to be worse, what affects one side of the globe will affect us... instability spreads fast and can't be ignored. When we leave this region prematurely thanks to our now psychotic house/senate remember what i've said and remember the lives lost that i've talked about. They will make this a "failure" not the Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine, and "they" are the Nancy Pelosi's, the Kennedy's, the extreme left that has infected our government.

Sorry i get on political soap box's. If you pray for the soldiers, throw another one in for our government and where it's going.

So...how are you guys? It's getting hot, our A/C goes out all the time lately which is pretty hard on the patients over here, pretty hard on everyone really. I can't wait to get home, my family, my car, my bed, a bathroom close as 10 feet away!!! it's the little things.

Just an fyi, It took me all day to right this. Hellicopters with inbound patients, emergencies...blah blah blah it never ends. Learning lot's over here.
Sorry this is so morbid, just trying to put it all in perspective.

more updates to come..."

I hope that Ms. Pelosi realizes that a lot of these men will return to her district in the PRC (Peoples Repbulic of California) and as such will be part of the voting public. Not that it will make any difference to the first woman speaker of the house.. Of course each of my ex wives was also the speaker of the house.



Dan

[BeanCounter]

CDC

You are scary......

Andrew

Actually I think I'd have a warm and fuzzy feeling if he was standing with me. I'd only be scared if he was against me.

[BMK]

chopper

Interesting statistics. Those we do not often hear ....

[aharris]

Chopper

47 countries have reopened their embassies in Iraq.
3100 schools have been renovated, 38 new schools have been completed, and 268 new schools are under construction. 4.3 million Iraqi children are presently in school.
20 universities, 46 colleges and 4 research centers are currently open and operating.
96% of Iraqi children under age 5 have been immunized against polio.
3500 new Iraqi police officers are graduating every 8 weeks.
1100 new construction projects are currently underway.
There are 2 million new Iraqi telephone subscribers.
75 radio stations, 180 newspapers, and 10 television stations are operating.

3500 US servicemen have given their lives
25,000 have been maimed
65,000 Iraqi civilians have died

War is ugly.

Andrew

[bomelia]

Its very presicient of you to quote your statistics. I guess you are questioning the price? I know you will not like this question, but how many of the killed and maimed were Canadiens?

Mike

[chopper]

Originally Posted by aharris

Chopper

3500 US servicemen have given their lives
25,000 have been maimed
65,000 Iraqi civilians have died

War is ugly.

Andrew

Yes, it is. If you think it's ugly now, wait until the dirty bomb explodes in Chicago or Montreal. The only reason it hasn't is because the "religion of peace" hasn't figured out how to do it yet.

You forgot in your little list to mention 3000 American citizens who perished on Sept 11 2001, but then, that little factiod seems to continually be dropped by liberals from the discussion.

The blame for all of this falls on the fanatical Muslims who started the mess, NOT on the US military or GW Bush. Perhaps the liberal ostriches would be better able to "Support The Troops" if they protested the kidnappings, beheadings, murders, rapes and associated other hijinks fostered by the "Religion of Peace" rather than pulling the rug out from under our own folks.

[bomelia]

Of course, I am just guessing...but had we done nothing in Iraq and Afganhistan after 9/11 (like we had been doing for the last 10-20 years) then we would have been hit again. I have read that UBL was a bit more than shocked at our reaction...and this has pretty much kept them away. Nobody likes to mention this because nobody wants to have these kind of comments brought up later as "proof" I (or whoever said it) was wrong. But it has been 5 years of no bad news in the continental US. So, if this had happened, and we had done nothing, then the criticism would loud 'sho nuff.

aharris, Canada lost 21 good soldiers in a good and just cause. I know I am honored by that. Just wish you felt the same about our men & women in arms (who were lost), and the cause they fight for. But somewhow I don't think you see it as a cause that you are invested in. and that is where we differ.

honest to God! Do you REALLY believe if we pulled all of our forces out TOMORROW, that we would remain safe here and abroad?????

[aharris]

Mike

Canada is not in Iraq. We have lost 21 killed in Afghanistan. And yes I think the price is high.

Andrew

[aharris]

Mike and Chopper

I think that the soldiers are doing the best job they can. I appreciate that they are willing to do the hard stuff for me. If the troops were pulled out tomorrow, God knows what would happen. I'm sure there would be chaos in Iraq.

Chopper, you are right. The 3000 are part of the equation too. I apologise for not including that number.

But put youself in the average Iraqi's place. You have an occupying foreign force in your country that has been ineffective in reducing the violence (more than 26,000 civilian deaths in the past year) or significantly improving my way of life. I'm sure I would be saying thanks very much but please leave.

Mike, you are making the assumption that the lack of incident on US soil is due to the occupation of Iraq. Perhaps it is due to the increased security at borders, or the increased focus by police forces on discovering "terrorist" cells in other countries. I'm hard pressed to see how having troops remain in Iraq maintains security back home.

Perhaps there have been no new attacks because the "terrorists" are satisfied with the effect they have had on the West. Higher prices, increased restrictions on travel, increased government powers, more isolationist policies.

You can't believe that "questioning policy" automatically equates with an attack on the brave men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Andrew