Propagandists, Murtha, & someone on this site

[Roscoe]

Oh man....I'm getting dragged into this again. Let me explain.

Since the 7th century muslims have been expanding their power, off and on, through invasion, slaughter and/or conversion. Countries like Egypt, Iran, etc were not muslim countries as they are now and had large Christian populations.

The first Crusades were to free Christians from muslims who invaded the Holy Land. Remember, that area of the world is the birthplace of Christianity.

Muslims took Spain for 900 years. Only the Pyrenees kept them from France. Spain kicked them out in 1492.

In the mid 1600's muslims were at the Gates of Vienna and eventually driven back by a Polish General and his forces.

The centuries are rife with other examples of muslim expansionism through invasion. You do the research.

THE BEHAVIOR IS THE SAME. THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS THE TECHNOLOGY.

This situation the world is in now is nothing new. It may be new here in the US but it's happened countless times in history throughout the world.

We are not in some little skirmish over oil, territory or power. This is bigger and much, much more dangerous.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"......George Santayana

[VRM]

Roscoe,
What you say is true, but only for a really tiny portion of Muslims. Even in Al Quaida I would suspect the portion is smaller than the whole because people join Al Quaida for revenge purposes as well. If there was a single unity of purpose behind all the Muslims in the world then things would be a lot different. Christians and Mongols did the same thing - not because they were Christians or Mongols, but because someone in charge wanted more power, and they used being Christian or Mongol to aid themselves to that end. Most Muslims are just like us, and want nothing to do with running empires or anything like that. Don't allow the handful of Muslim crackpots to speak for the whole. That would be like saying that all of the US troops in Iraq are evil simply because a handful of them are. And, No Bernie, I do not think all of them are evil, but unlike you, I am not willing to ignore the ones who are.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

Roscoe,
What you say is true, but only for a really tiny portion of Muslims. Even in Al Quaida I would suspect the portion is smaller than the whole because people join Al Quaida for revenge purposes as well. If there was a single unity of purpose behind all the Muslims in the world then things would be a lot different. Christians and Mongols did the same thing - not because they were Christians or Mongols, but because someone in charge wanted more power, and they used being Christian or Mongol to aid themselves to that end. Most Muslims are just like us, and want nothing to do with running empires or anything like that. Don't allow the handful of Muslim crackpots to speak for the whole. That would be like saying that all of the US troops in Iraq are evil simply because a handful of them are. And, No Bernie, I do not think all of them are evil, but unlike you, I am not willing to ignore the ones who are.

Steve

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