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Old 10-01-2007, 12:17 PM
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Now that's just being naive (Evian spelled backwards). Do you actually think that if a government is manufacturing wmd's and inspectors came, they would actually show them the site where they are making them? c'mon....

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:


A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:14 PM
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No, I don't expect Hussein to give them a roadmap of where to look. That's why the US pushed for the term 'unlimited access' in the UN docs (and got it), AND it was why the US was giving information to the on-the-ground inspectors in real time as to where to go. And they STILL didn't find anything.

Oh, and if I were to quote Move-On as a news source would you have a problem with it? World Net Daily is just as biased. They are the same idiots that think that soy is making kids gay.

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Old 10-01-2007, 03:30 PM
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:47 PM
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Mike,

"The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region."

Hussein did let the inspectors in. Bush says he did not. Ergo...

I tend to vote for the GOP more than I vote for the DNC. I vote for Libertarians or Realists more than I vote for either the GOP or DNC. Problem is - some of them are nuts - but frequently those nuts are smarter than the idiots in either the GOP or the DNC. The small parties also have the added benefit of not (yet) being corrupted by big time politics. I also rarely vote for the guy who actually wins.

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Old 10-02-2007, 07:05 AM
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The inspectors themselves reported that Saddam blocked and or hindered inpection attempts on dozens of occasions even going so far as to label them as spies and refusing access. Iraqs WMD program was greatly diminished in the 90's by somewhat successful programs but even on return this century inpectors reported finding dozens of weapons programs, just not the weapon themselves. Recently declassified NGIC report shows the discovery of approx 500 munitions that contain Mustard and Sarin nerve agents in a period from May '04 until June '06. There is a significant gap between what Iraq reported having, what UNSCOM was able to verify and what was destroyed. So, where did all those munitions go? Of course, I have already answered that question.

Either way, right or wrong, we are there and the Iraqi's need to get their $hit together and make their country work. I have no desire to stay in Iraq one day longer then we have to. I wish we where out already.
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I'd rather go in and kick the Chit out of him and find out he had nothing then not kick the chit out of him and find out he did and then its too late.

He actually sent all his WMD to Syria. We'll find this to be true one day.
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I disagree with the concept of Hussein sending any weapons to Iran or Syria. Iran and Syria both work together, but Hussein did not trust them. Hussein was a survivalist - he thought he had a good chance of getting through the invasion. It is not in his best interests to send off weapons of any kind to a country that was not friendly to him. In fact, Husseins biggest threat was Iran. We actually made Iran very happy because we removed that threat.
Hussein was not developing nuclear weapons. There were chemical weapons containers found, but all the chemical weapons had long expired, and were of no harm to anyone.
The Iraq Survey Group report also indicates that there is no evidence that any weapons were shipped to any other country. This report was created by people who work with evidence to reach conclusions, rather than gut feelings like our President does.

You guys are also forgetting one very important thing. The best quality chemical weapons only have a shelf life of 4-5 years. Any chemical weapons that were made brand new right before the invasion would turning into piles of useless goo right about now, and Husseins earlier home-grown chemical weapons were not very purely refined.

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