Lt. General Ricardo S. Sanchez vs. The MSM

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Well said............

[VRM]

Jamo,
Excellent point about MacArthur. Thanks for the reminder. Still, there is a point where the military has to draw the line between what constitutes a lawful order and what does not. An order from the CinC can be considered not lawful under certain circumstances. 'I was just following orders' is not an excuse, as we know from Nuremburg. It is a slippery slope, but quite honestly, if the Congress was doing it's job properly then we might not be in as much trouble as we are now.

CdC,
The press we have today sells what they think will sell. Today there is a lot of DNC positive press. A few years ago there was a GOP positive press. Neither is a good thing. Both sides have political agendas - those agendas are not in the best interests of this country.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by VRM

Jamo,
Excellent point about MacArthur. Thanks for the reminder. Still, there is a point where the military has to draw the line between what constitutes a lawful order and what does not. An order from the CinC can be considered not lawful under certain circumstances. 'I was just following orders' is not an excuse, as we know from Nuremburg. It is a slippery slope, but quite honestly, if the Congress was doing it's job properly then we might not be in as much trouble as we are now.

CdC,
The press we have today sells what they think will sell. Today there is a lot of DNC positive press. A few years ago there was a GOP positive press. Neither is a good thing. Both sides have political agendas - those agendas are not in the best interests of this country.

Steve

A few years ago there was a GOP positive press.

That must have been in the 1920's - the press has not been positive toward the GOP, and especially conservatives in our lifetime.

You know, Steve, Lenin accurately defined liberals as “useful idiots.” Today, America’s useful idiots are proving useful in bringing harm to America from within as well as from without.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

A few years ago there was a GOP positive press.

That must have been in the 1920's - the press has not been positive toward the GOP, and especially conservatives in our lifetime.

You know, Steve, Lenin accurately defined liberals as “useful idiots.” Today, America’s useful idiots are proving useful in bringing harm to America from within as well as from without.

If the press had been doing its job in the early run-up to the invasion of Iraq we might not have actually invaded. There were still new articles being written only a year or two ago (and not just on Fox) that said that we invaded because Hussein did not let in weapons inspectors. Trying to divert attention from a lack of intelligence in the administration and Congress?

I think that the only true conservative in government today is probably Ron Paul. And you are right - the media (and even his own party) have not been very positive towards him.

BTW, you DO know that Jefferson was a liberal, right?

Jamo,
You are right about the CinC being in charge, but does the military have an obligation to defy that CinC when his orders violate the Constitution? I think that the results at Nuremburg show that answer to be a 'yes'.

Have you been following Watadas court martial at all? It's a very interesting case.

Steve

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If the press had been doing its job in the early run-up to the invasion of Iraq we might not have actually invaded. There were still new articles being written only a year or two ago (and not just on Fox) that said that we invaded because Hussein did not let in weapons inspectors. Trying to divert attention from a lack of intelligence in the administration and Congress?

Very few posters here have a problem with the invasion, so whether or not the press was doing it's job is really not the point.

You are simply a lefty - I believe, simply stated, the theory that asserts that liberals, like you, are persons who lack the gene that allows humans to mentally process reality. Until the exact gene is located, it will remain a theory. However, until then, much empirical evidence of the liberals’ inability to process reality exists to support the theories premise.

The entire free world thought SH had WMD's - he used them on his own people - the Congress voted for the invasion - so get over it - we are there, let's all support the troops and get out ASAP after the job is done.

BTW - you should go over to dailykos or the democratunderground and post - you may as well be talking to a wall here, but I think you know that.

[VRM]

CdC,
Actually, I despise the left about as much as I despise the right. The left seems to have no answers to our collective problems, and the right seems to have a lot of wrong answers. You need to call me a lefty simply because I disagree with you on most things we talk about in here, and your limited thinking only allows you to see things in black and white.

The MSM raked Clinton over the coals, and as well they should have. The GOP has been spared much of that until recently, when 'conventional wisdom' has turned against the GOP, and GOP-bashing now sells.

The thought of Clinton in the White House horrifies me, but it will probably happen. I suspect that the MSM pendulum will swing back towards the GOP once she begins her term and starts her own screw-ups. I am hoping that the GOP will get its head together and offer up some real small government, small taxes candidates. I hope it only takes one term of Clinton to be able to do that, but the way the GOP has been (not) functioning lately I am not counting on it.

BTW, the job in Iraq is done. There are no WMDs and we are fighting primarily Iraqis who want their country back. We need to start sending the troops to Afghanistan and let the Iraqis begin to solve their own problems.

Steve

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Originally Posted by VRM

CdC,
Actually, I despise the left about as much as I despise the right. The left seems to have no answers to our collective problems, and the right seems to have a lot of wrong answers. You need to call me a lefty simply because I disagree with you on most things we talk about in here, and your limited thinking only allows you to see things in black and white.
The MSM raked Clinton over the coals, and as well they should have. The GOP has been spared much of that until recently, when 'conventional wisdom' has turned against the GOP, and GOP-bashing now sells.
The thought of Clinton in the White House horrifies me, but it will probably happen. I suspect that the MSM pendulum will swing back towards the GOP once she begins her term and starts her own screw-ups. I am hoping that the GOP will get its head together and offer up some real small government, small taxes candidates. I hope it only takes one term of Clinton to be able to do that, but the way the GOP has been (not) functioning lately I am not counting on it.
BTW, the job in Iraq is done. There are no WMDs and we are fighting primarily Iraqis who want their country back. We need to start sending the troops to Afghanistan and let the Iraqis begin to solve their own problems.
Steve

It's not seeing thing in black or white, its seeing things as they are. At least on the left they have positions, of sorts, they take positions, of sorts and the right is very firm when it comes to positions on the issues. In your case, the middle, you don't really have positions you simply mre or less call everyone stupid with you having all the answers, especially in hindlight. Yes, no WMD's, but SH stated that he had them, he informed his generals that he had them - the entire free world, except for you, believed that he had them, so reality at the time - he had them. Now, what about that scenario don't you understand?

BTW, your posts on this issue are simply a huge load of codswallop. I’m going to need a bigger wheelbarrow, but please keep posting.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by VRM

Jamo,
You are right about the CinC being in charge, but does the military have an obligation to defy that CinC when his orders violate the Constitution? I think that the results at Nuremburg show that answer to be a 'yes'.
Steve

Nothing about Nuremburg equates to Iraq.There WERE defendants at Nuremburg that WERE just following orders and were found not guilty off.Others CLAIMING to be following orders were found to be complicate and were found guilty.

There is no constitution in awar.Get that thru your skull.

And exactly what part of chain of command don't you get?

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

There is no constitution in awar.Get that thru your skull.

And so goes the Great Experiment.

Steve