Gore's Inconvenient 9/11 Truth

[J. T. Toad]

Conservation just makes it easier for someone else to waste. It's the free market system.

[imagine2frolic]

Roscoe,
You are pretty damned funny. Nobody is asking you to do that. Sometimes I have to use the motors in my cat, and it only gets 12mpg on a very good day. I do try to conserve in other areas of my life though.

Conserving energy is kind of like saving pennies. One penny won't make much difference, but after a while you got a buck, and then 2 bucks. Before you know you can buy yourself lunch by just saving pennies.

I am sure you don't sit in your garage with your foot to the floor just to use gas. Just because you have money in the bank isn't a reason to go spend it. Just because we have resources left doesn't mean we have to use it all up today.

J.T., You are right about smooth seas do not make skillful sailors, but that is when the 2 deisels kick into life

[VRM]

I do the simple things:
I turn off lights when I am out of the room. My thermostat is computer controlled, and my house is pretty well insulated.

I've recycled for years, but my town has just made it mandatory.

Steve

[Roscoe]

Maybe I'll wear a ribbon and put alot of bumper stickers on my car so it will look like I care more than anyone else.

Turning off lights, a good thermostat, etc is just common sense. Most of us have always done that.

It's all about control.....whether it be energy, smoking, tolerance (I hate that word) or political correctness......it's all about control.

And maybe no one is asking me to get rid of the Cobra but if this BS keeps up someone will force me to.

Roscoe

Roscoe

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Maybe I'll wear a ribbon and put alot of bumper stickers on my car so it will look like I care more than anyone else.
Roscoe

Roscoe

My wife does that passive aggressive thing too. Go ahead - it's your car - if you want to make it look like a Nascar reject you are welcome to do so.

I think you would be surprised at the number of people who don't do those common sense things. We might think that it is common sense, but there are plenty of people who have no idea that programmable thermostats even exist!

I agree, to an extent, that some of it is about control, but some of it is about personal control and common courtesy as well.

Steve

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

My wife does that passive aggressive thing too. Go ahead - it's your car - if you want to make it look like a Nascar reject you are welcome to do so.

I think you would be surprised at the number of people who don't do those common sense things. We might think that it is common sense, but there are plenty of people who have no idea that programmable thermostats even exist!

I agree, to an extent, that some of it is about control, but some of it is about personal control and common courtesy as well.

Steve

You have a wife? Oh, Frolic, I'm not as smart as I seem...just ask Steve!!

Mike

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

You have a wife? Oh, Frolic, I'm not as smart as I seem...just ask Steve!!

Mike

What's wrong, Mike - not using a programmable thermostat? They can even be useful for AC, y'know. You can probably even install it yourself - should only be 4 wires or so. Let me know if you need help.

Steve

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

What's wrong, Mike - not using a programmable thermostat? They can even be useful for AC, y'know. You can probably even install it yourself - should only be 4 wires or so. Let me know if you need help.

Steve

I have two of them...my wife programmed them. They open and shut the winders on a regler basis.

Mike

[Cobrabill]

Good Lord.Nuclear winter?WTF does the POSSIBLITY of nuclear winter have to with the incremental temperature increases?Is that the best you can do?

If we "blow ourselves off the Earth"*,the temperature of the affore mentioned planet is a pretty friggin' moot point-isn't it?Boy,you folks are a safe distance from genius.

Thanks for validating my point.

[VRM]

Well, Bill,
You asked a question, and I answered within all the parameters of that question. It's not my fault that your question was so open ended that I could lob a few nukes through all the loopholes you left in it.

Maybe you should set more specific criteria next time. Next time, try thinking a little harder before you ask.

BTW, if you want to get a little more realistic, look up silver iodide. And then spend a week or two in Beijing when they need rain. Try to remember that you don't actually need to duck when the rockets explode.

Steve

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by VRM

Well, Bill,
You asked a question, and I answered within all the parameters of that question. It's not my fault that your question was so open ended that I could lob a few nukes through all the loopholes you left in it.

Maybe you should set more specific criteria next time. Next time, try thinking a little harder before you ask.

BTW, if you want to get a little more realistic, look up silver iodide. And then spend a week or two in Beijing when they need rain. Try to remember that you don't actually need to duck when the rockets explode.

Steve

Sorry,NO SALE.You KNEW the parameters of my question but you chose to supply the bull$hit"nuclear winter" answer.Speaking of which,that answer is so far out in left field Al Gore hasn't mentioned it.

Think a little harder next time?nahhh,the thought i put into it THIS time was perfect,as it elicited a response from you that perfectly illustrates what is wrong with liberals.

[Blue streak]

I expect to find kindred spirits on this site, but not on this topic. When I saw he won the Nobel on my Google page I realistically assumed it was simply misfiled into the wrong category. It was under CNN, not Joke of the Day.

There is no doubt that the earth has gone threw numerous cooling and warming cycles in it's history. Did the dinosaurs cause the last warming cycle by burning fossil fuels? Maybe they just had too much bad gas huh.

Oh, and by the way, how much does goody goody Al earn off Carbon credits?

[Blue streak]

Hey, one more little item. Where does the temperature get measured? A meteorologist in CA is doing a study on the sites. He has found nearly half of them to be out of compliance with locational standards. Check out this link and ask yourself. Next time its 90 degrees out, would you rather lay on the asphalt or the grass. Why?

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/200...rature_22.html

Al is his own type of terrorist.

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Blue streak

Hey, one more little item. Where does the temperature get measured? A meteorologist in CA is doing a study on the sites. He has found nearly half of them to be out of compliance with locational standards. Check out this link and ask yourself. Next time its 90 degrees out, would you rather lay on the asphalt or the grass. Why?

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/200...rature_22.html

Al is his own type of terrorist.

Rich,

What a dumb meteorologist. I especially like one of the links somebody included in the comments below the norcalblogs site:
( http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=6814820 )

The idea of fouling our own nest doesn't have to be a partisan issue. It's too bad, in a big way, that Gore took up the issue and made it look liberal.

One of our greatest conservative presidents, Teddy Roosevelt(R)( http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/tr26.html ), was also a Nobel Peace Prize winner. He basically gave us our National Park system and was also an enthusiastic wildgame hunter. He'd probably turn over in his grave at some of the pollution we now have ...but he, too, using common sense, would likely have been a skeptic regarding some claims made by the extreme left.

About 1/4 of US pollution is produced by the auto/petroleum combo. In 1987, auto companies reported their best mileage, 26 mpg. Ronald Reagan was our president. A few years later the mileage had dropped to 24.7 ...Clinton was in. Clinton exempted SUVs from CAFE. GM threw him an inauguration party.
So now we are that much more dependent on foreign oil. Thanks, Bill C.
Hillary is no better when it comes to corporate influence.

Corporate influence is permeating our political ranks on both sides these days. It's hard to trust the influx of information and it's all about the money. One doesn't have to be a crazy environmentalist to admit there is a limit to wrong vs the right thing to do.


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[Cobrabill]

Wes,in Ca.when particulates in the air reach 80 PPM,this triggers an alert.Would you or anyone else care to guess what the particulate concentration(PPM)is of the air blowing onshore?

I'm not giving you crap,just showing another example of how we are getting taken to the cleaners(pun intended) in the name of the enviroment

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Wes,in Ca.when particulates in the air reach 80 PPM,this triggers an alert.Would you or anyone else care to guess what the particulate concentration(PPM)is of the air blowing onshore?

I'm not giving you crap,just showing another example of how we are getting taken to the cleaners(pun intended) in the name of the enviroment

I'm thinking you're getting at the particulates in the air are pretty high when they arrive. If so, China perhaps?

One new coal-fired Chinese powerplant a week ...for the next seven years.

Rats. Called to work. On the road again....


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[Cobrabill]

You got it.The PPMs in the onshore winds are around 50.So we are getting our balls broken over cleaning up the air when the air arriving on our shores has more crap in it than the local Californians put in the air.

But the enviro-nazis never let the facts get in the way of their religion.

[J. T. Toad]

CB I hadn't heard that. I believe it. I remember some of the best sunsets I enjoyed years ago were due to the volcano in the Philippines, and then a couple of years ago I remember watching a news report on the Sunsets in Florida due to the dust storm..... FROM AFRICA!

If I think of the amount of tax payer money which has gone to fund
http://www.valleyair.org/index.htm
between salaries, taxpayer funding of mis-information, I get sick.

I laugh at all the years we have been told that our 'own' air is our 'own' problem - ie no outside influences...

when in this year alone two major fires have spawned air quality alerts hundreds of miles away. People are so dim witted, they want problems solved, as long as it isn't in their backyard.

If conservation is such a problem, why don't they outlaw Christmas lights, trees?

if Auto pollution is SUCH a problem, why not pick one day a month where NO ONE drives. WHY? IT WON"T MATTER!!!!

[VRM]

JT has some valid points.
Many of us in New England remember all the acid rain that used to fall here as a result of all the factories in places like Michigan and Ohio. I spent about 6 months in China a few years ago. They had no EPA to mandate any sort of clean air anything. The cities were smoggy, they smelled, and everything seemed to be a bit gray. I suspect that the west coast gets a lot of soot from all of the Chinese coal plants.

If everyone didn't drive for one day during the month that would drop our auto emissions by 3% (provided that all days have equal emissions levels - and they don't). That would drop our total emissions levels by about .75% (provided that the number supplied by Wes is correct). It's a start, but I suspect that there are more efficient ways to come up with bigger numbers.

Steve

[Roscoe]

So....er.....ah....maybe I'm not looking at it right....but....in 1930 it looks like it got a bit warmer but then reversed the CYCLE and came back down. 100 years in the scheme of things is a piss in the ocean. DON'T PANIC YET!

And, I might add, as it was going down in 1970 there was a global COOLING scare....OH MY!

Geez, has anyone who has been on this earth longer than 40 years wonder why we have alot of snow one winter and none the next only to have alot of snow the next and then none...and so on???? Anyone who does not recognize the CYCLES of weather and climate has no business commenting on Global Warming.

Figures don't lie but liars do figure...Not you of course...but the Global Warming crowd in general.

Roscoe