The Fence

bomelia · #1 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 07:17 AM

I actually have the good fortune to speak occasionally with a fellow who is working on the Virtual Fence (Boeing contract). He spends every other two weeks out in Tuscon. Yesterday, he told me that while the towers are going up, there is a physical fence going up as well. Something like 2 inch pipes filled with concrete with 2 inches of space between then. 15 feet tall, 6 feet underground in solid concrete. I am going to get him to get some pictures. Apparently the plan is to build both systems. He told me that the Mexicans are throwing rocks and mooning the construction workers. 1 million $/mile. Seems like an excellent deal to me.

Mike

VRM · #2 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bomelia

Something like 2 inch pipes filled with concrete with 2 inches of space between then. 15 feet tall, 6 feet underground in solid concrete.
Mike

Sounds like a pretty easy climb.

Pics would be nice.

bomelia · #3 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VRM

Sounds like a pretty easy climb.

Pics would be nice.

Yes, its nothing more than a barrier which will slow things down. Best estimates have it at about 30-40% effective. But with the 1800 towers being built by Boeing, the effectiveness is expected to rise considerably.

Thats more than one tower per mile.

When I get pics, I will post them.

Mike

RACER X #99 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:26 AM

They come here because good solid American citizens(businessmen) give them employment. No fence will ever stop them.
Americans just can't resist a bargin or a good deal. Guess where the labor comes from on the good deals?

You waana be pissed at people get pissed at the American citizens in the welfare line and the "businessmen"

Roscoe · #5 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 09:12 AM

How about a few of these?

427 S/O · #6 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 12:12 PM

Thanks Mike, I emailed my so called senators a few times asking for current status on the fence...never heard from them.

imagine2frolic · #7 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 12:40 PM

Is the fence made out of metal? If so we could always tie in some wind generators, and solar panels. Give it a bit of reusable juice

Scott S · #8 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 04:17 PM

A GI every 1/4 mile with a good rest and a nice rifle would be cheaper.

Scott S

jams · #9 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:10 PM

Lock and Load!

Venamm · #10 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:49 PM

Hey folks,
Have a look at this. It puts a whole real persective on the matter that I bet some of you didn't know.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1t...dg-sdfg_dating

bomelia · #11 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Venamm

Hey folks,
Have a look at this. It puts a whole real persective on the matter that I bet some of you didn't know.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1t...dg-sdfg_dating

It does NOT put a different perspective on anything. The BS artists that make these crappy short films are left leaning distorters of facts. Most folks down here in the lower 48 want nothing more than to control our borders. Ever wonder why you do not have a border problem?

You sir, have no idea what is happening in the US with illegal immigration.

Mike

PS: Btw, I take a small amount of offense at your indirect suggestion (by blithely posting that stupid video) that Americans who support the fence and border control are racist. But then again, it was your suggestion. So what does that say about your inclinations?

VRM · #12 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Mike,
You don't know him either, yet you threw the first punch just for presenting something you didn't like. Knock off the righteous indignation act - it is not going to get you anywhere.

Venamm, the tribes came in through Alaska. So Canada can blame the US for allowing the tribes to migrate. But since Russia owned it before we did...It's all the fault of the commies!!

And Mike is right - most of our ancestors came here through legal means after a government was set up. The problem we have is illegal immigrants. We have a legal means set up to allow people from just about any country to live in the US. We plan our resources around allowing in a pre-determined number of people. We have too many people entering the country, and they are throwing off those numbers. This ends up costing Americans more money to support them. The majority happens to be Mexican, but there are other nationalities as well. I would agree with you that Americans sometimes think that their poo don't stink, but in this case it has nothing to do with that. There is no racism or national superiority involved as the illegals are from a number of countries.

Steve

Venamm · #13 (**permalink**) 11-09-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VRM

Mike,
You don't know him either, yet you threw the first punch just for presenting something you didn't like. Knock off the righteous indignation act - it is not going to get you anywhere.

Venamm, the tribes came in through Alaska. So Canada can blame the US for allowing the tribes to migrate. But since Russia owned it before we did...It's all the fault of the commies!!

And Mike is right - most of our ancestors came here through legal means after a government was set up. The problem we have is illegal immigrants. We have a legal means set up to allow people from just about any country to live in the US. We plan our resources around allowing in a pre-determined number of people. We have too many people entering the country, and they are throwing off those numbers. This ends up costing Americans more money to support them. The majority happens to be Mexican, but there are other nationalities as well. I would agree with you that Americans sometimes think that their poo don't stink, but in this case it has nothing to do with that. There is no racism or national superiority involved as the illegals are from a number of countries.

Steve

VRM
I don't know you well but at first impressions you seem kind and logical. You are correct if you have the time go back and read the threads he was the first to attack.

I understand the legal versus illegal we have our share here too. But they come not by border crossing but by visitors visa's. Common wealth countries have a freedom sort of speak to travel to other CW counties, and then they don't leave. The big ones are Jamaicans and East Indians. Not bashing them at all but a few refuse not to wait for the lengthy applications or registration process and just go AWOL once they enter.

bomelia · #14 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007, 12:00 PM

Venamm,

Phuck off. Do you know the difference between a personal attack and a difference of opinion? I have a difference of opinion with you. You use personal attacks. That is not looked upon nicely.

That ought to about do it for this thread.

Mike

VRM · #15 (**permalink**) 11-12-2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bomelia

It does NOT put a different perspective on anything. The BS artists that make these crappy short films are left leaning distorters of facts. Most folks down here in the lower 48 want nothing more than to control our borders. Ever wonder why you do not have a border problem?

You sir, have no idea what is happening in the US with illegal immigration.

Mike

PS: Btw, I take a small amount of offense at your indirect suggestion (by blithely posting that stupid video) that Americans who support the fence and border control are racist. But then again, it was your suggestion. So what does that say about your inclinations?

Mike,
Rather than dismantle any argument he was making you made personal comments to him regarding what he knows or does not know. If you think the facts are distorted, fine...tell him why and offer what you think are the correct facts. You also took the first offense, and make implications about his inclinations. And that is reading it with an open mind. If I were him then I would consider you fair game to make personal responses back (and he did).

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Originally Posted by Venamm

VRM
I don't know you well but at first impressions you seem kind and logical. You are correct if you have the time go back and read the threads he was the first to attack.

Venamm,
Mike took the first swing at you, but you took the first swing at Scott with your comment that he must be related to Mike. That is not a good way to intruduce yourself to the forum. As for 'kind' - well - I can be quite tenacious when it comes to an argument and some do not view me as 'kind' as a result of that. I do make an effort to keep my discussions about the argument, and not make personal comments, though I will usually respond in kind if personal comments are made to me.

How about everybody knock it off and get back to illegals and fences before we get the thread shut down?

Steve

Jamo · #16 (**permalink**) 11-12-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VRM

Mike,
How about everybody knock it off and get back to illegals and fences before we get the thread shut down?

Steve

How about maintaining some damn humor around here on such issues and stop being so damn serious and maybe, just freeking maybe, fights won't occur on every damn page and you won't have to worry about threads being shut down?

Hmmm...helluv'a concept.

Damn liberals and Canadians.

Venamm · #17 (**permalink**) 11-12-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamo

How about maintaining some damn humor around here on such issues and stop being so damn serious and maybe, just freeking maybe, fights won't occur on every damn page and you won't have to worry about threads being shut down?

Hmmm...helluv'a concept.

Damn liberals and Canadians.

Jamo,
Me and including every lawyer in my family are proud conservatives...

Damn Yankee's (not the musical or team)

Venamm · #18 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:54 PM

oh yeah Scott,
A lot more then 1/3 of other commodities comes to Canada from the USA.

Scott S · #19 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Venamm

oh yeah Scott,
A lot more then 1/3 of other commodities comes to Canada from the USA.

When you operate your forests with the same rules as we do and have to buy your timber on an open market rather than letting the "crown" give it to the mills.

Then lets talk....

Scott S

Wayne Maybury · #20 (**permalink**) 11-01-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott S

When you operate your forests with the same rules as we do and have to buy your timber on an open market rather than letting the "crown" give it to the mills.

Then lets talk....

Scott S

Scott

The fiber supply in Eastern Canada is now considered to be the most expensive in the world (sorry but I don't have the specific numbers). Wood here costs more than in Japan which historically had the highest cost. The Quebec government has also reduced cutting rights by 20% so we cannot even get as much wood as we did in the past. All forestry companies in Canada are in bad financial shape. Of course the weak US dollar is not helping either. You may not like the forestry products going to the US from Canada but I bet that you don't mind all of the oil that we send your way.

The US and Canada have approximately $400 billion of annual TWO WAY TRADE. This is not like the trade situation the US has with China or Japan where they export and you import, resulting in a huge trade deficit.

Wayne