Its not a war with Islam, or is it?

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

1993-1995

This story begins....

Roscoe,

I have to admit that is pretty interesting reading. You must have gone to some effort to either personally condense the info down, or at least find a good passage to pass on to us.

There is an awful lot of info out there, and you made me look at quite a bit, but I never even scratched the surface. The FBI's intense investigation alone consisted of over two million man hours along with tens of thousands of other man hours from local authorities. See a brief Grand Jury Report: ( http://www.oklahomacounty.org/GrandJuryReport.htm )

I agree anything is possible but most of the circumstancial evidence points to McVeigh and Nichols acting alone to avenge the anniversary of Waco although they associated with other known American radicals ...and unlikely ME.

I've mixed a lot of ceiling texture in large barrels. The truck barrel-bombs that they built were easy to do and finish arming at the last minute even if there was a large weight to the materials. The ANFO technique is known by many people, other than ME terrorists, perhaps by their Aryan Nation associates. I just caught part of an episode of Conspiracy Tests on the Investigation Discovery channel where the camera caught them pouring the ingredients ( http://investigation.discovery.com/t....30536.33887.x ). There is a little more to it, now found here: ( http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/ttpyro.html ). It's not rocket science but care must be taken.

The John Doe ME guy? I don't know. Michael Fortier fits the ME look. Picture: ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10946590/ ) Michael Fortier, once involved, now out, was the main witness against Nichols. Description from the Grand Jury report:
"Based on the descriptions of these witnesses John Doe II would have to be as follows: Height 5'3" to 6'3"; Weight 140 pounds to 21 0 pounds; Build: slim and skinny to stocky and muscular; Race: white, Hispanic, Middle Eastern or Asian; Skin color: white, olive or dark; Hair color: dark blond, red, brown or black; Hair length: crew cut, 2 inches long or shoulder length; Facial hair: mustache or none."
There were many others including McVeigh look alikes.

Noting the JFK conspiracy similarity, I am reading an interesting book called The Secret Service ( http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Service...4855753&sr=8-1 ). In here, several agents still believe there may have been a conspiracy regarding the JFK assassination. All types of Treasury agents (ATF, Customs, IRS and SService) are required to be above normal intelligence and education and they are not even unofficially unified in their beliefs over what transpired with Lancer, codespeak for JFK.

My mom believes that UFO's exist. While they might, I'm holding out for an actual piece of other-world alloy from saucer wreckage myself.

And, I'm as of yet, quite skeptical of a ME/McVeigh co-operative connection.


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[Ron61]

Wes,

My mom believes that UFO's exist. While they might, I'm holding out for an actual piece of other-world alloy from saucer wreckage myself.

You can actually say that when you have me here as proof there is life from other planets.

Ron

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Wes,

My mom believes that UFO's exist. While they might, I'm holding out for an actual piece of other-world alloy from saucer wreckage myself.

You can actually say that when you have me here as proof there is life from other planets.

Ron

Ron,

Perhaps your durability all these years is because of your exotic alloy.

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Wes,
What about the Philippines connection between Nichols and, possibly, Ramzi Yosef?
Roscoe

In my post above, the link Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy...iracy_theories abreviated itself so as to not reveal that it refers directly to paragraphs "McVeigh#Conspiracy_theories". One of the paragraphs in particular refers to possible Islam radical ties:

"Jones and Israel suggest in Others Unknown that Terry Nichols had crossed paths with suspected Islamic terrorists during his frequent visits to the Philippines before the attacks. Nichols' father-in-law at the time was a Philippine police officer who owned an apartment building often rented to Arabic-speaking students with alleged terrorist connections. Former counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council Richard A. Clarke suggests that the improvement in Nichols's bomb-making techniques, along with telephone calls to the region upon return to the U.S, points to a possible link to Philippines-based Islamist terrorists in Cebú and the southern islands. These accounts are detailed in Richard A. Clarke's 2004 work Against All Enemies, an accounting of his public service which spanned across several administrations... ...In presiding over the trial, Judge Matsch rejected these arguments and did not allow them to be presented as a defense. There remains no credible documented evidence of Islamist or other foreign links to the Oklahoma City bombings."

If McVeigh went to the Philippines to just visit his father-in-law, one would think his wife would have acompanied him. Somewhere the Nichols/McVeigh team learned that they had to add boosters to the ANFO mix for an effective explosion and it could have come as late as over coffee with a ME student at the in-laws hotel. In the end though, I think McVeigh identified more with American Branch Davidians rather than Islamic beliefs. On the other hand, such evidence was not released if it was known, and that, in turn, could possibly be because CIA(?) would not want the extent of their intel revealed, i.e. classified. Speculation.

I imagine some Islamic radicals, somewhere, rejoiced over Oklahoma but very few, if any, knew it was coming. I think more radical American Christian sects probably cheered this one. Which was my whole point, that it isn't right to breed contempt and hate for all when a minority are the problem.

I might be a little sensitive since I am half German, by name, and a bit embarrassed that an entire nation could fall for suggestive Nazi media propoganda that all Jews were so bad they had to be extracted and even exterminated. That is what I feel is wrong in thinking, and promoting, that all Islamic are any lesser than ourselves. I also realise that this forum is a place to blow off a little steam, which is what Mike intended. Yet my fear is that divisive religious hate could grow in the nation that I love. It has gotten so that some of the news we receive is more like info-mercials than useful data.

Rats, I have to go to work. I think it is an ME World Bank plot. After all, they have most of our money or soon will have.


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