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[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by 427sharpe

McCains % is high because he was out 3 months with medical problems...
I am not 'smearing' the opposition or 'firing' at Ernie. I engaged in a rational debate because I do not envision my government continuing to be a nanny for people too lazy to do for themselves. As for SSN, I do not anticipate it being there when I retire, so I see my 'investment' as a lost cause. Hence, I PLAN FOR MYSELF. I just want others to do the same. I refuse to fall into the belief that the government can make anything better for me & mine than I can for myself. As for taxing the US population @ 7% GDP for global poverty relief.....well, BO can read my avatar on that one!
And Ron and Wes both dodged the central issue of my post: how much of YOUR money are you willing to give to the feds?
A interesting side note, in BO's plan, he envisions the IRS doing your taxes for you and forwarding them for your signature (and a check, I suppose...). Another nail in his candidacy for me....

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Originally Posted by 427sharpe

McCains % is high because he was out 3 months with medical problems...
I am not 'smearing' the opposition or 'firing' at Ernie. I engaged in a rational debate

I don't have a problem with the percent but I thought the link I passed as interesting. I would be more concerned with a single particular issue that someone avoided. I agree you are rational.

because I do not envision my government continuing to be a nanny for people too lazy to do for themselves.

...I guess technically a government is a nanny for people and they, as the governed people are the nanny, taking care of one another. But you, like I, are probably concerned more with some people doing all the work and slackers taking benefit. My contention is the top financial 5th of population, slackers, cost us way more than the bottom 5th, also slackers.

As for SSN, I do not anticipate it being there when I retire, so I see my 'investment' as a lost cause. Hence, I PLAN FOR MYSELF. I just want others to do the same. I refuse to fall into the belief that the government can make anything better for me & mine than I can for myself.

No pile of money is safe. But SS is a lot more secure than your 401K as you may have noticed lately. Actually SS is a lot more stable than propaganda would have you believe. Perhaps someone has their eye on your share of the pile and wants you to help move it to a more accessible venue such as 401K. Ever cross your mind? Where do you think is a safe place for retirement money? Where do you feel you have the most control over it? The top 5th can be pretty tricky sometimes.

As for taxing the US population @ 7% GDP for global poverty relief.....well, BO can read my avatar on that one!

Not sure. I wouldn't want to send money without sending birth control. Otherwise it's like throwing food over the fence to rabbits ...to keep them out of the garden. At first there is enough food to go around...

P.S. Someone posted a full size copy of your avatar amongst motivational posters at work. It really blended in and it was there for well over a month before management found it. I've worked in management off and on in the past and I still thought it was funny as H.

And Ron and Wes both dodged the central issue of my post: how much of YOUR money are you willing to give to the feds?

Being part of the working class, I already pay all the taxes. People above and below the working class don't pay any. Well how could they, they don't create anything. So I'm OK for paying whatever percent of taxes that it takes as long as it's all paid back out to the working class. Wouldn't matter if it were 100% as long as I get it all back now, would it? Who do you think should get your money? Any of it. That is the question.

A interesting side note, in BO's plan, he envisions the IRS doing your taxes for you and forwarding them for your signature (and a check, I suppose...). Another nail in his candidacy for me....

The IRS already pays people to do (or calculate) my taxes and there is nothing I can do about it. Makes sense to me to just wait until they send me a bill with no further effort on my part necessary. Saves a stamp.

Now, personally, I would like a chance to audit what they did of course. Maybe call them in for it, my choice. There would be a penalty for them making an error.

And then I would like everybody to pay their tax bill out of their Special Mandatory Tax Savings Account instead of having it quietly with-held all year. For one thing I would like to collect the interest; for another, I think everybody would be less tolerant of government spending if everybody had to suddenly part with the money that seemed like it was really theirs to start with. Hey! It was theirs...

I would like you to regard all this as tongue and cheek. I'm only semi-serious, but it's nice to think differently sometimes.


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