For any idiot who thinks it's about safety

[Sharroll Celby]

Too literal of an opinion.

[fsstnotch]

Same here. unless hte person in front of you is somehow in reverse or somehting, you are liable if you hit someone in the rear. So, what do you do when you leave a safe distance and that idiot next to you realizes he needs to turn at the next light so he moves into your lane giving you no distance to brake?

This is why i leave my hitch on!!! It might do more damage to the rear car, but I bet next time, they'll pay more attention!

[Rich A]

DUH!!! What did they think was going to happen.

[Ron61]

Meat,

I am not sure about down in your area but I asked a CHP here about this and he told me that if you slowed or stopped suddenly for a yellow light and was hit from behind the driver that hit you is at fault. One exception he gave me was an emergency vehicle coming from in back of you and if you have no way to get out of the way to run the light even if it is red.

Ron

[Joe Wicked]

Thank god for anti-lock brakes. I do not lock up my brakes, but I am on them as hard as I have to be to stop. If I was able to stop behind the line and still maintain complete control of my car, then the person who hit me was following too close. No one was talking about cutting in front of someone and then slamming on their brakes. The conversation is about driving along and the light turns yellow, slamming on brakes. Drop the road rage and cutting off, because it does not apply to the conversation.

As far as the safety aspect, I always felt that if it was for safety, then why implement a system that allows the person to drive off and continue the same type of behavior, issue a ticket with a fine attached, and then move on? What was done to stop the behavior when the actions took place? Nothing. A cop on the corner that stops the driver who ran the light and detains them is more effective in my opinion. Most of the red light runners I see are people on phones, digging for something, or just is such a hurry that they are not going to stop and speed up. This behavior does not stop at that light they just ran, but continues until they cause a wreck. Police presence deters this behavior, not cameras.

[meat]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

Thank god for anti-lock brakes.

I concur.

It's an excellent idea to put a braking system in a car that allows it to safely stop in a greater distance than it should if the person behind the wheel were a competent driver. That way drivers can get an unwarranted belief that they are a 'good driver' and can move on the more important tasks while behind the wheel like applying make-up, eating lunch, reading the paper and talking on a cell phone.

I used to be able to bring my 1965 Mustang Fastback with manual brakes safely to a stop from 65 mph in about 120 feet.

The quintessential soccer-mom vehicle - the Chevy Tahoe - equipped with ABS and following a safe distance behind at 65 mph stops 12 feet beyond where I did. So, technically, the Tahoe with it's ABS system stops when it hits my non-ABS car.

That distance changes dramatically if the driver of the vehicle is on a cell phone.

Yeah, thank God for anti-lock brakes. They empower the incompetent.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by meat

I concur.

It's an excellent idea to put a braking system in a car that allows it to safely stop in a greater distance than it should if the person behind the wheel were a competent driver. That way drivers can get an unwarranted belief that they are a 'good driver' and can move on the more important tasks while behind the wheel like applying make-up, eating lunch, reading the paper and talking on a cell phone.

I used to be able to bring my 1965 Mustang Fastback with manual brakes safely to a stop from 65 mph in about 120 feet.

The quintessential soccer-mom vehicle - the Chevy Tahoe - equipped with ABS and following a safe distance behind at 65 mph stops 12 feet beyond where I did. So, technically, the Tahoe with it's ABS system stops when it hits my non-ABS car.

That distance changes dramatically if the driver of the vehicle is on a cell phone.

Yeah, thank God for anti-lock brakes. They empower the incompetent.

Your pal,
Meat.

I will bet that the tahoe with antilock brakes stops shorter than the tahoe without antilock brakes thereby being safer. Guess what, my Mustang stops shorter than my F150. Big surprise there huh? You continue to compare apples to oranges. It is simple, If I can stop without running the light, and fully maintain control of my car, and someone hits me, they are following to close. They are at fault for the accident no matter how hard I hit the brakes. If their vehicle requires more stopping room than mine and they are not accounting for that increased distance, they are guilty of "Failure to maintain a safe distance."

[meat]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

I will bet that the tahoe with antilock brakes stops shorter than the tahoe without antilock brakes thereby being safer.

That would be a pretty silly bet for a number of reasons:

1. Driver knowledge.
2. Driver experience.
3. Road conditions.
4. ABS physics. The layman's explanation of how antilock brakes work: is antilock brakes operate by pulsing the brakes on and off. Brakes work by friction. When the brakes are on, the friction increases, when they're off, there ain't no friction. Therefore, class, if the brakes are being applied intermittently - like an ABS system does - rather than continuously the stopping distance will increase with the ABS system chattering merrily away.

Under similar conditions, a non-ABS Tahoe can stop well before an ABS equipped one if the ABS system engages.

Therefore, antilock brakes are not 'safer.' They provide an illusion of safety - much like airbags do - and allow the neophyte to believe that he's Mario Andretti when, in actuality, he's just another idiot on the road who doesn't understand that his car isn't safer, it's been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator: the average, low-knowledge driver who couldn't drive himself out of a paper bag without putting an address into his GPS system first.

The rest of your post is totally moot and irrelevant as you don't understand the basics or the physics or the argument.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Cobrabill]

JW-stop with the logic-would ya?

[Cobrabill]

Meathead,your non-sequiturs not with-standing, you are invited to find the nearest exit,walk outside,fall down and go phuck yourself.

[meat]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Meathead,your non-sequiturs not with-standing, you are invited to find the nearest exit,walk outside,fall down and go phuck yourself.

There's no hyphen in 'non-sequiturs' and 'not with-standing' is spelled 'notwithstanding' as it is only one word, not three.

...duh.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Jamo]

Bring it down to a mild roar or the discussion ends.

Thanks for your expected cooperation.

[Ron61]

I am not starting an argument just stating what I read in the Calif. Vehicle drivers manual and also I just talked to our local traffic officer.

Solid Yellow. A yellow
signal light means
“CAUTION.” The red
signal is about to appear. When
you see the yellow light, stop if
you can do so safely. If you can’t
stop safely, enter the intersection.

You may enter the intersection as long as you DON'T SPEED UP and it is safe to do so. The traffic officer told me that if you do the above and get hit from behind then the person that hits you is following to close. These are her words as an addition. "And probably talking on a cell phone or text messaging." If you speed up then you will get a ticket even if it is to keep the person from behind from hitting you unless you have witnesses that was what you sped up for. I believe the percent she quoted was that 98% of rear end collisions are going to be the fault of the vehicle behind as they are following to close for conditions no matter what they are.
This is not the cutting in front of and jamming on the brakes type of thing.

Ron

Ron

[Doug I]

popcorn, popcorn, get your popcorn here.

[Ron61]

Doug,

You sell popcorn and I will sell locks and lets see which of us wins out.

Ron

[Doug I]

and Beer !!! get your popcorn and beer !!!!

popcorn with hot butter and cold beer !!!

[4RE KLR]

BTW:
Where is the damn cop when you need one.

Meat,
Your wrong on this buddy. No one is right all the time, come on admit it and lets talk about something else. It seems you tend to disagree with a lot of people on a lot of different issues on this site.

1) It isn't that big of a deal.
2) I am going to hit the phucking breaks regaurdless of what the "law" says. I am not getting a ticket for running the red light.
3) I hope like hell you are not the one behind me as we might need jamo to get you out of jail. (well you do seem to get upset rather quickly)
4) It is not that big of a deal...Dig I saw that already

[meat]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

Your wrong on this buddy.

Nope.

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

No one is right all the time, come on admit it and lets talk about something else.

I will cheerfully admit that no one is right all the time.

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

It seems you tend to disagree with a lot of people on a lot of different issues on this site.

That's untrue; I'm better informed and use common sense more often than some on this site.

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

I am going to hit the phucking breaks regaurdless of what the "law" says. I am not getting a ticket for running the red light.

And that is your prerogative. That you'd choose to endanger the lives of others over getting a $75 ticket speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

I hope like hell you are not the one behind me as we might need jamo to get you out of jail.

I sincerely hope that I am behind you, as I've got quite a bit of experience and the cat-like reflexes honed over years of dealing with idiots in California who think they can drive necessary to deal with people who can't figure out how something as simple as a traffic light works.

There are few better suited than me to drive behind the likes of you.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Sharroll Celby]

...as I've got quite a bit of experience and the cat-like reflexes honed over years of dealing with idiots in California who think they can drive necessary to deal with people who can't figure out how something as simple as a traffic light works.


This is a test. Insert parentheses into the above sentence, in order to change it from a run-on sentence into something that makes sense.

Winner gets an "Atta Boy!".

[4RE KLR]

Well if you are three miles away and you hit me, them that would mean you are too damn stupid to change lanes, given the opportunity.