Remember that pilot who's pistol discharged...

[Doug I]

granted ..... when weapon is in use the training of the bearer determines the actions taken.

2d was meant to be while holstered. I don't think the extra time to chamber a round is of any consequence in the big picture compared to the safety of it normally being empty.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Doug I

2d was meant to be while holstered. I don't think the extra time to chamber a round is of any consequence in the big picture compared to the safety of it normally being empty.

Have you read the rest of this topic?Training and "non-stupid" holsters will prevent any ADs.Any time you introduce an extra "step" required to bring your weapon to bear,you are INCREASING the chances of you not surviving the encounter.
If you have to think about what you are doing-you're gonna die.The less to think about-the better the odds of survival.

[AMF]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Have you read the rest of this topic?Training and "non-stupid" holsters will prevent any ADs.Any time you introduce an extra "step" required to bring your weapon to bear,you are INCREASING the chances of you not surviving the encounter.
If you have to think about what you are doing-you're gonna die.The less to think about-the better the odds of survival.

Do you not carry with the safety on? You have to think about that. Does that mean you're going to die? No.

It's very little more than deactivating the safety. Granted, as I admitted before, you can deactivate the safety and fire with one hand.

Again though, we're not talking about soldiers on the streets of Baghdad or Cops in Miami-Dade here. We're talking about pilots that are behind a lockable door, flying people who have been screened, checked, double checked....through quite possibly the most extensive PUBLIC security checks in existence. (people who work in a SCIF and other secure type jobs might get checked more thoroughly, but I doubt it).

The situation dictates the posture. You don't require pilots to carry nitro pills or stroke kits, but in actuality, you're probably 1000 times more likely to have a pilot who has a stroke or heart attack in flight than you are to have an armed assailant break through the cockpit doors so quickly that the pilot can't remember to charge his weapon before being overtaken. (it's been discussed many times before that no terrorist would be stupid enough to try to takeover a plane like 9-11. The whole plane would not stand for it. They're going to attack in another, unexpected manner. Terrorists tend NOT to be dumb in that respect....they know they've got one shot at it, and they're not going to waste it on something that's likely to get them caught/killed).

I'd go a step further and require that the ammunition be stored seprately, but even though that would be ANOTHER huge increase in safety/precaution, it would indeed be a LARGE reduction in tactical effectiveness. (as opposed to a negligle one with the chambering).

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by AMF

Do you not carry with the safety on? You have to think about that. Does that mean you're going to die? No.

It's very little more than deactivating the safety. Granted, as I admitted before, you can deactivate the safety and fire with one hand.

Of course i carry with the safety on.On my particular pistol,i could carry SAFELY without the safety on,but i choose to leave it(the safety) on as doing so does not increase my response time.
But before the weapon even clears leather-my thumb has released the saftey.The pistol is ready to fire as soon as it clears the holster.

Are you going to be cool & calm in a scenario that is escalating into a use of deadly force?Sweaty palms could cause the slide to pre-maturely "slip" from your hand causing a feed jam.You pull the trigger and nothing happens-what then?You're dead-that's what.Reaching over to "rack a round" is wasting indespensible time.

All my carry weapons are based on the Colt Government model.Which means they are all single action.So no matter what pistol is hanging on me,the operation is the same.No thinking about what pistol i just grabbed.Sounds like a theme to me.


I think a deceased equine has arrived.

[Excaliber]

Following the current guidelines, I wonder if it's standard policy, thus enforced, to have a round IN the chamber during flight? During takeoff and/or landing?

[Jamo]

Okey dokey...I think we've hammered this subject enough.

Closing thoughts?

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Okey dokey...I think we've hammered this subject enough.

Closing thoughts?

Yep, as I told a Louisiana State Trooper once when stopped and asked if I had any weapons in the car, told him there was a fully loaded, holstered 9mm under the drivers seat.He said,"why is it loaded??" I said,"an unloaded gun is a paper weight, and BTW, is your handgun loaded?????"
End of conversation, and I did get the speeding ticket!!!!!!!! but a good friend took care of the matter a few days later......

David