What's in These Rice Burners?

[PatBuckley]

Originally Posted by AMF

Ricers can be made to go fast too, it just takes more money.

Pound or pound, dollar for dollar there are only a couple of ricer cars out there that can stand up to the big boys. The supra is one and the EVO is another. The STI can be made to scoot, but it's a highway pig as it has tons of parasitic loss from the drive train (the EVO is all wheel drive too, but for some reason, guys are making crazy horsepower with them).
Look out for even moderately built supras. They're virtually impossible to beat on the highway and if you run into a highly modified supra, you can forget about it. I've seen high end supras beat turbo'd busa bikes. You'd think there's no way in hell that a car would outrun a turbo'd bike, but it happens.

The supra is quite possibly the most overengineered production car ever made. There are guys running 1000 hp on stock blocks and transmissions. Supras aren't the best from a stop but are nasty from a roll and downright unbeatable on the highway (at upper speeds).

Some of the really low end rice burners CAN be made to get up, but it takes a ton of money (which is why I don't understand why they would do it, plus....who the hell wants to dump $60k into a Honda Accord?......dumb in my opinion...but hey, if that's what blows your skirt up...so be it.)

Care to elaborate on why the STi has tons of parasitic losses as compared to the very similar EVO?

Or are you just talking out of your ass again?

[AMF]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

Care to elaborate on why the STi has tons of parasitic losses as compared to the very similar EVO?

Or are you just talking out of your ass again?

They both have huge drive train loss. For whatever reason, I've seen some really over the top EVO's running massive power to overcome that. I haven't seen any over the top STIs (not saying they're aren't any, but I've seen a FEW EVOs)

Both are monsters out of the hole....I have yet to see an STI running 900hp to the wheels.

You can afford to have 40% drivetrain loss when you're running 900 ponies to the wheels. You can't afford 40% drivetrain if you're only running 400 horsepower (not against modified street cars on the highway at least).

No talking out of my ass. Just seen more over the top EVO's is all. Not disrespecting your car. I like STI's, I actually considered buying one...they pull hard in a number of respects (launches, braking, turns), but again, the achilles heel is at higher speeds, they tend to get eaten up by cars that are more efficient. That's all.

Relax.

[PatBuckley]

Originally Posted by AMF

They both have huge drive train loss. For whatever reason, I've seen some really over the top EVO's running massive power to overcome that. I haven't seen any over the top STIs (not saying they're aren't any, but I've seen a FEW EVOs)

Both are monsters out of the hole....I have yet to see an STI running 900hp to the wheels.

You can afford to have 40% drivetrain loss when you're running 900 ponies to the wheels. You can't afford 40% drivetrain if you're only running 400 horsepower (not against modified street cars on the highway at least).

No talking out of my ass. Just seen more over the top EVO's is all. Not disrespecting your car. I like STI's, I actually considered buying one...they pull hard in a number of respects (launches, braking, turns), but again, the achilles heel is at higher speeds, they tend to get eaten up by cars that are more efficient. That's all.

Relax.

So you say you haven't seen any STI's, and that they both have huge drivetrain loss.....nevermind.

900 hp at the wheels, huh? Street car?

Just think how fast the STI would be (155 top end stock) if it didn't have those HUGE drivetrain losses....

Actually I am pretty relaxed, you just don't know me, which is OK with me....

[AMF]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

So you say you haven't seen any STI's, and that they both have huge drivetrain loss.....nevermind.

900 hp at the wheels, huh? Street car?

Just think how fast the STI would be (155 top end stock) if it didn't have those HUGE drivetrain losses....

Actually I am pretty relaxed, you just don't know me, which is OK with me....

I apologize and I was wrong. Your STI is a badass car.