Obama is a 'post turtle'."

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

I am speaking as an outsider so take my comments for whatever they are worth.

Two or three years ago, I watched BO being interviewed on TV and I thought to myself, now there is a young man that is articulate, intelligent, honest, has a good sense of humor, and seems to know what he wants to accomplish in life. I also thought that maybe he would change US politics as he certainly did not appear to be the typical politician heading for the White House. I tried to follow reports as he began his drive to become President and I continued to be impressed with what I heard and read.

Then in the past couple of months some of his baggage began to become public and I had a hard time to believe some of it. As time went on, I realized that he has been associating with some people that do not have the best interests of the USA at heart. (He recently has tried to distance himself from that preacher friend but it appaers to be too little, too late). I recently read a report that outlines much of what he has said in the campaign and compared it to what he has said and done before hand. My opinion of the man has now changed completely and I wonder what will happen to the US if he were to be elected. He had me fooled, my worry is that he may still have sufficient American voters fooled to get elected.

Wayne

Well stated and fair, Wayne. BO is very impressive as a speaker and speaking is an important part of being POTUS, but in the end it's all albout policies and programs. Even putting policies and programs aside, the only real insight those of us who don't know BO can gather is through taking a look at who is has aligned himself with in life, so far. The mad preacher, the mad bomber, and the developer (now on trial) are a few. His wife seems angry and looking for payback. Geez, does anyone here want to 'trust' BO will leading America for 4 years, at this time in history. He has great things to say, a wonderful way of saying them, but no real accomplishments in life so far other than being elected a Senator.

As to policy and programs - BO has tons of programs in mind, all of which naturally involve the re-allocation of assets from the rich to the poor with trillions of dollars at stack. Increasing taxes on practically everyone that makes money will be required (not just rich people), right in the middle of a recession - high oil, gas and food, and a housing debacle. Putting BO in office as America faces hard times is suicidal. Compromising with McCain is the only sane way to go.

[Wayne Maybury]

I will add one more point.

Several months ago NAFTA became the focal point for one or more of the debates. BO came out very strongly about re-opening NAFTA. At the same time, his "people" were telling the Canadian Government not to worry because this is all just campaign talk and NAFTA will not be touched if he is elected. This was all over the papers up here but very little of that story made the news in the US until just recently. This is a very good example of saying one thing while planning to do something entirely different.

Of course most politicians are liars, aren't they?

Wayne

[Sharroll Celby]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Well stated and fair, Wayne. BO is very impressive as a speaker and speaking is an important part of being POTUS, but in the end it's all albout policies and programs. Even putting policies and programs aside, the only real insight those of us who don't know BO can gather is through taking a look at who is has aligned himself with in life, so far. The mad preacher, the mad bomber, and the developer (now on trial) are a few. His wife seems angry and looking for payback. Geez, does anyone here want to 'trust' BO will leading America for 4 years, at this time in history. He has great things to say, a wonderful way of saying them, but no real accomplishments in life so far other than being elected a Senator.

As to policy and programs - BO has tons of programs in mind, all of which naturally involve the re-allocation of assets from the rich to the poor with trillions of dollars at stack. Increasing taxes on practically everyone that makes money will be required (not just rich people), right in the middle of a recession - high oil, gas and food, and a housing debacle. Putting BO in office as America faces hard times is suicidal. Compromising with McCain is the only sane way to go.

I agree with both youse guys on dis guy. Seriously.

[wtm442]

BO is a great speaker. Many fine politicians have been great speakers. Too bad one of the best speakers was Hitler, so both sides of the aisle are covered.

I think I know exactly what I'll get for a vote for McCain or Hillary, but I have no idea what BO would provide. He is against everything the "competition" is for, but has not committed to very much himself ... just platitudes and niceties.

He reminds me of the old lady in the Wendy's commercial 25 years ago ....

Where's the beef?

[VRM]

People often ask "What has Obama done". That is actually a pretty simple question to answer, and for a lot of people that answer is enough.

Here it is, with a comparison to one or the other of his competitors:
Obama has kept the same principles regarding on abortion; in '99 McCain was against overturning Roe v. Wade - in 2006 he favoured overturning Roe v. Wade and returning control to the individual states.

Obama has maintained that invading Iraq was a mistake; Clinton originally voted for it, and has had to modify her stance a number of times.

Obama has maintained a squeaky clean record since he started serving as a Senator; McCain was investigated as one of the Keating 5...and don't get me going on Clinton.

The long and the short of it is that people like Obama because he has not show the same level of corruption, flip-flopping, and dishonesty that his competitors have shown. He has had a pretty consistent and squeaky clean image on the national level. He gives them hope that there might actually be a politician who wants to uphold American values. His competition cannot offer that, and that is the 'change' the people want.

Most people don't examine issues - they would rather vote for the person they 'like'. Most people can't explain why they 'like' them though. Based on that observation I had Obama picked as the Dem candidate a couple of years ago. I'm still sticking by that prediction.

Personally, as I don't trust any politicians, I think it is only a matter of time before people start finding/examining (it has already started) the skeletons in his closet. Combine that with the level of power he would have and he would end up just as corrupt as any other Washington weenie.

Edit: Oh - I'm still voting for Ron Paul!

Steve