McCain's VP Pick

[VRM]

Originally Posted by 427 S/O

Steve, what exactly is 'O'NO!'s favoured format?. I don't recall McCain being afraid of anything, anywhere, any time.

IMHO, Obama is the better orator (giving a prepared speech in front of a large crowd), as he knows how to get a crowd involved.

As far as debates go;
Obama will be better at a moderated debate where he can use stats better than McCain, and not have to deal with hostile crowd responses to his answers.

McCain has a sharper sense of humour that is not as effective in a structured debate as a town hall meeting.

My prediction is that Obama will win the majority of structured debates, and will cause McCain to lose his temper in one of them.

I think they should do an equal number of town halls, and structured debates. I would love to see them tear into each other and finally expose the crap that both sides have been dishing out.

[Don]

Source: USA Today Editorial Monday Sept 15th:

" What next for Palin?

So now that Sarah Palin has done her first extensive national TV interview, how much more do we know about her? Not all that much.

Watching the Republican vice presidential nominee's performance was a bit like watching a gymnast navigate the balance beam. Under persistent questioning by ABC's Charlie Gibson, Palin teetered at times but never fell to the mat.

As expected for a candidate new to the national stage, she showed no particular savvy or insight on many of the issues Gibson probed. And, as many reviews have noted, her responses often came across as limited and rehearsed, particularly on foreign policy questions.

One might hope for more from someone who could potentially be president of the United States in a few months. But sound-bite responses are the norm for many candidates, and if Palin didn't turn in an Olympian performance, she nevertheless showed herself to be unflappable and made her points clearly.

The guess here is that few voters' minds were changed. Her supporters will cheer her personal qualities and positions they support; her opponents will focus on her inexperience and issues they oppose. The more important question is, now what?

Will the McCain campaign carefully script her appearances and limit access to her, or will it allow her to engage in the kind of free-wheeling give-and-take with reporters that McCain used to build his reputation?

There might be no better measure of her readiness for office than that judgment. Dribbling her access out in a controlled fashion invites the question that if McCain can't trust her enough to expose her to the rough-and-tumble news media exposure that running mates normally receive, how can Americans trust her?

To expect journalists to treat her with "deference," as one McCain aide absurdly demanded, is to misunderstand not just the role of a free press but also the American character.

Candidates are supposed to be tested and to weather the invasive vetting process — not just campaign in a bubble, protected by squadrons of spin meisters.

The focus of the campaign should soon begin shifting back to where it belongs: onto McCain and Barack Obama (remember them?). But in the 50 days remaining before the election, Palin plainly needs to be challenged further. She passed her first test, but there's plenty of room to improve her grades. "

[Don]

Applies to all four candidates: Obama, Biden, McCain Palin:

Parade Magazine, Sunday Sept 14th: The Secret's of America's Great Presidents

Source: Doris Kearns Goodwin, Author of " Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln, Pulitzer Prize for her book Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt

" Focusing on the qualities that have made some of our leaders exceptional provides a better perspective on our current candidates than what's often reported-mistaken words, glib replies, fundraising capabilities and TV ads. "

Doris Kearns Goodwin has identified 10 attributes that distinguish truly great Presidents taking Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt as guides. How would you rate each of the candidates with the following criteria.

The courage to stay strong

Self-confidence

An ability to learn from errors

Emotional Intelligence

Self-control

A popular-touch

A moral compass

A capacity to relax

A gift for inspiring others


http://www.parade.com/hot-topics/200...eat-presidents

[GlynMeek]

yes, yes, yes...I understand ALL these comments, but what about me being a "pompous windbag"...THAT ONE hurt me.... Can I NOT get an apology here...rofl?

turnpikeboy...thanks. THAT one got me two free drinks tonight...god, I love this country...LOL

AND your well-stated point on Obama's view on capital gains tax is the ONE reason why I shall (unfortunately) ignore Palin's complete and utter incompetence for major international office, redneck husband (no offense meant to rednecks), hobby of killing animals, bizarre and extreme views on religion, and total unsuitability for any kind of office outside "small town mayor" (and THAT one is in some doubt!!!!) and vote for McCain...rats....and, she has moved me back to prayer after abandoning the one true religion ('Church of England' for all you heretics) ..."please god, let John McCain live for 4 years, IF he gets to be president, as I do NOT want to leave this country")...

Glyn (aka "pompous windbag")

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

yes, yes, yes...I understand ALL these comments, but what about me being a "pompous windbag"...THAT ONE hurt me.... Can I NOT get an apology here...rofl?

Oh, all right.....if you must.......you're not a windbag.....I'm sorry.

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

turnpikeboy...thanks. THAT one got me two free drinks tonight...god, I love this country...LOL

...lost me here...must be British humor, most of which escapes me. If, in fact, there truly is such a thing.

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

AND your well-stated point on Obama's view on capital gains tax is the ONE reason why I shall (unfortunately) ignore Palin's complete and utter incompetence for major international office, redneck husband (no offense meant to rednecks), hobby of killing animals, bizarre and extreme views on religion, and total unsuitability for any kind of office outside "small town mayor" (and THAT one is in some doubt!!!!) and vote for McCain...rats....and, she has moved me back to prayer after abandoning the one true religion ('Church of England' for all you heretics) ..."please god, let John McCain live for 4 years, IF he gets to be president, as I do NOT want to leave this country")...

Well, good for you! A dawning of true hope on your horizon... However, as you served a previous life as a subject (small "s"), doubtless you've never been privileged to experience the "hobby of killing animals". As a Citizen now, you have that privilege - further, upon undertaking such a passage you might discover some deeper understanding of the prejudice of your comments regarding the fundamental souls of your new world .

Hey, give it a shot...you just might find a passion for it .

[GlynMeek]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

Oh, all right.....if you must.......you're not a windbag.....I'm sorry.

LOL...thanks, and yes, British humor is different at times...I actually LOVED the term "pompous windbag"...THAT one showed true imagination.

be well and be safe, TP

[Jamo]

We all have a bit a pompous windbaggage in the Lounge.

[392cobra]

P.W. (aka Glyn),
It's good to see you walking out of the darkness and towards the light.

Now if you can get Ernie to reverse his dead end walk,all will be good.

[Excaliber]

..don't hold your breath, but that shouldn't be a problem for such a big wind bag, er, pompus windbaggage, or something like that, what he said.

[GlynMeek]

Now, as a stranger in a foreign land, with a tendency to verbose pomposity (i.e. "pompous windbag"), I just wondered on something. I am sure the more erudite among the xenophobic Republicans (if there are any...LOL) can answer the following for me as I am a little confused, floundering here in my undereducated liberality. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If your name is Barack, you're accused (incorrectly) of being a radical, unpatriotic Muslim BUT name your (3 too many) kids , Bristol, Willow, Trig, Piper and Track (some of them are destined to be beaten up in school with THOSE names!!), and you're a maverick.

* If you graduate from Harvard Law School and were President of the Law Review, you are "unstable" BUT if you attend 5 different small and totally insignificant colleges before graduating, then you are "well grounded".

* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience, BUT if your total resume is: local weather girl, beauty contestant, 4 years on the city council of a place no one has ever heard of and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people (although you can see Russia on a clear day...which is nice), then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian BUT if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married said heiress the next month, you're a real Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age-appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fibre of society BUT if , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's BUT if your husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25, once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, and whose only claim to somewhat minor fame is that he won a few snowmobile races (!) then your family is extremely admirable.

Obviously, as a poor, undereducated foreigner, and an unfamiliarity with your superior political system (THAT is sarcasm...), I now think I understand how it works...it is SO much clearer to me now. I just wish someone had explained the rules to me before !

[BeanCounter]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

name your (3 too many) kids , Bristol, Willow, Trig, Piper and Track (some of them are destined to be beaten up in school with THOSE names!!), and you're a maverick.

I can just imagine how many bloody noses you ended up with carrying around a moniker like Glyn.

And no you won't get an apology.

[Don]

GlynnMeek:

What was your source for mentioning 150,000 new voters?

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters

First time I have seen a factual accomplishment as a Community Organizer, inferred that a single individual can take credit for the success of the voter registration drive.

With your analysis, any thoughts on the voting pattern indicating " Present " at the state level and since being in the US Senate the number of session days missed over the last 19 + months while campaigning, i.e.
representing 13 million. The 131 Bills sponsored, solely initiated by the individual or joined in after being introduced ( Praise and Glory for the non-participants ), which were all passed into law ?

" become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee " As chairman , what are the factual accomplishments that can be verified, i.e., measurable on going results ?

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer, I thought, subject to correction, the latest position held had a salary in the $200,000 to $300,000 range ?

etc

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Don

GlynnMeek:

What was your source for mentioning 150,000 new voters?

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters
etc

Most of the fraud in voter registration can and has been traced back to a group that O was part off and represented as a lawyer -- ACORN.

[Jamo]

Sure...but first you have to assplain why y'all bow to a German Queen.

[Jamo]

BTW...your stats are just a bit skewed...four years in the US Senate?

[Excaliber]

A book about gay fathers, as Sienfield would say, "Not that's there's anything wrong with that..."

[Excaliber]

"Give it a shot?" I have to admit, thats not a bad game plan. I prefer a good old fashioned Winchester myself...

[turnpike boy]

Lots of pheasants and turkeys on Lanai, Ex.

[Excaliber]

Deer too! They actually have deer hunting season there. Tiny little rascals, I've seen them, bear a striking resemblance to 'Bambi'.

[HI Cobra]

Plenty of Axis deer in Kalaupapa Settlement too - the buggars are
everywhere!