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Launching a political career as a small-town mayor creates one of the most interesting resume items a candidate for higher office can have. A small town mayor doesn’t just blabber in the legislature about theoretical soutions to vaguely defined problems but has to actually SOLVE REAL PROBLEMS.
I have served 3 terms as a small (2000 pop) mayor, beside raising kids it was the single largest learning experience of my life.

I was always amazed at how wimpy other politicians were in making decisions.

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I have served 3 terms as a small (2000 pop) mayor, beside raising kids it was the single largest learning experience of my life.

I was always amazed at how wimpy other politicians were in making decisions.

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Well, WOOHOO! to you for geting involved at the mayor level - it's a thankless task most of the time, depending on politics in the area. Apparently Palin likes to get things done, make decisioins - as I imagine you did as mayor.

By the way, with your background you have an excellent view of how voting 'present', in the case of Obama in the Illinois Legislature impacts getting things done and taking a firm stand on important issues.

From Real Clear Politics:

"While some conservatives and Republicans surely will harp on what they call his "liberal record," highlighting applicable votes to support their case, it's Obama's history of voting "present" in Springfield - even on some of the most controversial and politically explosive issues of the day - that raises questions that he will need to answer. Voting "present" is one of three options in the Illinois Legislature (along with "yes" and "no"), but it's almost never an option for the occupant of the Oval Office.

We aren't talking about a "present" vote on whether to name a state office building after a deceased state official, but rather about votes that reflect an officeholder's core values.

For example, in 1997, Obama voted "present" on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion. He also voted "present" on SB 71, which lowered the first offense of carrying a concealed weapon from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the penalty of subsequent offenses.

In 1999, Obama voted "present" on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted "present" on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill.

In 2001, Obama voted "present" on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted "present" on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the Audacity of Hope, on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the "born alive" bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote "present" on the bills instead of "no."

And finally in 2001, Obama voted "present" on SB 609, a bill prohibiting strip clubs and other adult establishments from being within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, and daycares.

If Obama had taken a position for or against these bills, he would have pleased some constituents and alienated others. Instead, the Illinois legislator-turned-U.S. senator and, now, Democratic presidential hopeful essentially took a pass.

Because it takes affirmative votes to pass legislation in the Illinois Senate, a "present" vote is tantamount to a "no" vote. A "present" vote is generally used to provide political cover for legislators who don't want to be on the record against a bill that they oppose. Of course, Obama isn't the first or only Illinois state senator to vote "present," but he is the only one running for President of the United States.

He will need to explain those "present" votes as a member of the Illinois Legislature if he hopes to become America's commander-in-chief."
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So, when BO came up with "above my pay grade" responding to a question relating to when life begins - it was more of the "present" approach to issues - what would he do as POTUS?
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By the way, with your background you have an excellent view of how voting 'present', in the case of Obama in the Illinois Legislature impacts getting things done and taking a firm stand on important issues.



He will need to explain those "present" votes as a member of the Illinois Legislature if he hopes to become America's commander-in-chief."
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Voting "present" shows either he can't understand the issue or he is in fear...


How did a guy with such tiny gonads father two children?

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Saw this on another site:

Sarah Palin does not have 5 kids, she actually has 7. Their names are Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, Trig, Chuck Norris, and Jack Bauer.

The Northern Lights are really just the reflection from Sarah Palin's eyes.

The Russians sold Alaska to America because Sarah Palin would not submit to autocracy.

The Arctic Circle runs through Alaska so the Sun can have some relief from Sarah Palin's bright glare.

Sarah Palin is allowed first dibs on Alaskan wolfpack kills.

Sarah Palin is so pro-life that she personally hog-tied two reps from Planned Parenthood who came knocking at her door.

It's not raining in DC. Those are God's tears of joy that McCain picked Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin's hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.

Sarah Palin is the "other" whom Yoda spoke about.

Sarah Palin's presence in the lower 48 means the Arctic ice cap can finally return.

Sarah Palin fired Jack Bauer because he was too soft in dealing with terrorists.

Sarah Palin's pageant career ended early so other women could have a chance.

Sarah Palin's son Track is going to Iraq after the Surge, because a Palin during the Surge would have been unfair.

Sarah Palin wears glasses lest her uncontrollable optic blasts slaughter everyone. (X-Men reference)

Sarah Palin actually has Big Foot in her freezer.

Sarah Palin gave a speech in Texas after her water broke before flying home to Alaska to give birth. (Actually true)

Sarah Palin doesn't need a gun to hunt. She has been known to throw a bullet through an adult bull elk.

Sarah Palin once spilled coffee on Joe Biden & one of his $400 ties from Pink.

Sarah Palin keeps her hair in a beehive to hide her ninja weaponry.

Sarah Palin will personally open a homemade can of whoopa** on Ahmadinejad, Putin, and Chavez as soon as she's done making mooseburgers for her kids.

A grizzly bear once tried to stare down Sarah Palin. Once.

Sarah Palin will send Joe Biden a pre-debate cheat sheet. The sheet will have tips on defending against Kung Fu Death Grip.

Sarah Palin became governor because five children left her with too much spare energy.

Sarah Palin will give birth to the man who will lead humanity's war against the machines. (Terminator reference)

Three of Sarah Palin's 5 kids came out sideways and she never flinched.

Global Warming doesn't kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does. Generally with her bare hands.

Sarah Palin was the original "Deadliest Catch."

Sarah Palin paid her way through school by hunting for Kodiak pelts with a slingshot.

Alaska is the 49th state solely because they knew even in 1959 that Sarah Palin never finishes last.

Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man's body.

Sarah Palin got Tom Brady pregnant, and then left him.

Sarah Palin killed and ate the Grizzly Man.

Sarah Palin killed and ate Frank Murkowski.

Sarah Palin once won the Iditarod without any dogs. She simply willed the sled to victory.

Sarah Palin wears half the makeup that John Edwards wears and still looks like twice the woman he does.

Sarah Palin once guided Santa's sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.

Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it's in their interest to jump into the boat.
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Wow... acid is correct. Even I cannot follow this anymore.

And after aspman's last comment calling Jamo narrow minded... whoa. Look at his butt! Nothing narrow about that!

Butt, aspman, the fact that this thread is still open says a lot about Jamo's patience.

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Some of these are the same as in the post above.

The dirt on Palinfrom Born Again Redneck by noreply@blogger.com (Patrick Joubert Conlon)

That investigation:

Palin's seemingly bright future was clouded in late July when the state Legislature voted to hire an independent investigator to find out whether she tried to have a state official fire her ex-brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper.

The allegation was made by former Department of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, whom Palin fired in mid-July.

"It is a governor's prerogative, a right, to fill that Cabinet with members whom she or he believes will do best for the people whom we are serving," Palin told CNBC's Larry Kudlow in an interview on Aug. 1. "So I look forward to any kind of investigation or questions being asked because I've got nothing to hide."

Some little known facts about Sarah Palin:

Global Warming doesn't kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does - usually with her bare hands.

Sarah Palin's hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.

Chuck Norris wishes he was Sarah Palin trapped in a man's body.

Sarah Palin paid her way through school by hunting for yeti pelts with a slingshot.

Sarah Palin knows the location of DB Cooper's body because she threw him from the plane.

Sarah Palin used to wrestle kodiak bears in Alaskan bare knuckles fight clubs.

Sarah Palin once bagged a caribou by staring it down until it died.

Sarah Palin turned down a job as skipper of a Deadliest Catch boat because it wasn't challenging enough

Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it's in their interest to jump into the boat.

Sarah Palin's brain is three times the size of Joe Biden's. It's science.



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A little more on Miss Sarah, even on cnn no less....She's not afraid

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/29/news...tune/index.htm
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That was an interesting piece. Thanks for posting it.

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The more I read about McCain's VP choice, the more I like her.
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O'FALLON, Missouri (AFP) — Sarah Palin got comfortable in her new role as a vice presidential candidate Monday as she made the Republican case to stay in power.

She was careful, however, not to press too hard against her Democratic rivals after running mate John McCain promised to set aside partisan politics out of respect for those threatened by Hurricane Gustav.

"One of the goals of reform is to keep the government focused on the things that matter most," Palin said told the crowd of 17,000.

"We want a government that is competent and is dependable and is free of corruption and self-dealing."

But raising taxes and overfunding programs is not the way to make government work, Palin said.

"We don't want bigger government. We want government that does a few big things and it does them right."
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How come Palin didn't run for president?

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Let me see if I understand this.......Congress must summon big oil, but big oil goes looking for Miss Sarah?. Who has respect for who?.
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I'm sure some of you have heard her 17 year old daughter 'Bristol' is pregnant, everyone involved with Sarah's nomination knew this and accepted it. Bristol didn't take the easy way out! and she will be marring the father. She also has the full support of her family. Don't expect any criticism from the other side, Biden has a not so well known son that's been in trouble with the law on numerous occasions.
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She has my vote !

We need a HOT Conservative Biker Chick in the White House.

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I have known Sarah since 1992. Wasilla is a small town. Everyone here
knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis.
My son is a friend of her daughter Bristol. I also am on a first name basis
with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings
during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She has matured a lot since her early days on the City Council. Thank God.

She is enormously popular, having enjoyed approval ratings above 70%, and
as high as 80%, as Governor. In every way she's like the most popular girl
in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote
for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

She's smart and savvy, but her only real experience is as mayor of a city
with a population of about 4,500 (at the time), and 1.5 yrs as governor of a
state with under 700,000 residents.

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept
her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for eight
months.

She is "pro-life" and she walks that talk. She recently gave birth to a
Down's syndrome baby.

She has terrific parents who have been there for her and lots of help
raising her kids and managing her family. She has good kids. Like all
politicians, she is a largely absent parent, and spends more time with her
kids in public when there are cameras rolling than in private. Her family
was slow to grasp the reality of political life and used to complain about
her parenting.

She is photogenic in spades. She is a good smiler. She is a former TV
reporter and is comfortable behind the camera. She is a former beauty
queen.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there"
and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

She has taken on the Republican Party power-brokers in Alaska.

Her husband works "2 on, 2 off" on the North Slope for BP and is a champion
snowmobile racer. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon
in Bristol Bay for a month in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination
is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been
anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters; her pro-NRA positions are not
just political posturing.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this
small city was turned over to an administrator who she had been pushed to
hire by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble
over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall attempt.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years
as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During
those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by
38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced
progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed
even food. The tax cuts that she brags about benefited large corporate
property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren't enough
to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too.
She inherited a city with ZERO debt, but left it with indebtedness of over
$22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for?
Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? No. $1m for a park.
$15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed
through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear
title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the
lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit- generator she claimed it
would be. $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs
without any borrowing. Meanwhile, the City still lacks a sewage treatment
plant and other basic infrastructure.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office re-decorated
more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a small city (population at that
time of about 4,500). Public indebtedness under her mayoral administration
increased over $4000 per capita.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in
Alaska. Rather than invest it in technology that will make us energy
independent and increase efficiency, she proposed distribution of this
surplus to every individual in the state.

SPEND AND BORROW. In this time of record state revenues and budget
surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects,
even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend
today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or
compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her
staff. While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly
respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing
from the library some books that Sarah didn't like. City residents rallied
to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at
out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination
letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her
enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club", so what did she bring Wasilla?
A new set of "old boys", including Wasilla's worst-ever Public Works
Director, the totally unqualified wife of a powerful person in state
politics. She fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the
City and as Governor she hired/elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful, so fiercely loyal-- loyal to the point of abusing their power to
further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of
pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told
the press. Her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity
about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire
him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire
him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper.
Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than
2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that
she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for
sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew the
nomination.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help.
The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing
her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her
first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal
City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this
ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her. People fear her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah demanded
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of
the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background
in Oil & Gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid
$122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was
told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work.
A member of the Commission and the State Chair of the Republican Party was
ethically challenged, by dramatically quitting and accusing him of ethics
violations (for which he was fined) she solved all her problems in one fell
swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as
the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the status quo.

She is solidly Republican. Her battles with the Republican party were not
over philosophy. They were over ethics and power. She is no political
maverick in terms of philosophy.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They
don't call her "Saint Sarah"; they call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her
unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. When Sarah's mother-in-law
ran for Mayor, Sarah endorsed the person who was running AGAINST her
mother-in-law who was a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President. It scares the heck
out of me to think that someone as inexperienced as Sarah Palin could become
President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have under-estimated her and are
regretting it.
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A Tale of Two Résumés
Barack Obama versus Sarah Palin.
by Dean Barnett
09/02/2008 8:50:00 AM


Having spent over a decade as a headhunter for lawyers in another life, I've seen many résumés. And every résumé tells a story. The stories told by Barack Obama's and Sarah Palin's résumés could hardly be more different for two people of roughly the same age and aspirations.

WHAT STORY DOES Barack Obama's résumé tell? Obama became the head of the Harvard Law Review in 1990 and graduated Harvard Law magna cum laude in 1991. These accomplishments suggest great intelligence and strong interpersonal skills. They also suggest limitless potential.

So what did Obama choose to do with his limitless potential after leaving Harvard? Not much. His first two years out of law school, he began writing a book, commenced lecturing at the University of Chicago Law School and returned to his old vocation of community organizing. Obama's résumé would probably advertise the fact that he eschewed big money options to better serve humanity in these various capacities. Many members of the legal community would view these claims of selflessness with skepticism. Some cynical readers of his résumé would infer that he spent the time "trying to find himself," and perhaps think of the old Bill Cosby crack that after two years of searching, he should have been able to find not just himself but a couple of other people as well.

All readers of his résumé circa 1993 would ask what Obama accomplished at his serial vocations. And there the story gets grim. He didn't finish his book during the two years in
question. He didn't pursue any scholarship at the University of Chicago, so his career there stalled at lecturer and never advanced to the professor level. And as is ever the case with something as nebulous as community organizing, pointing to tangible accomplishments would be impossible.

Thus begins a pattern of under-achievement, or more specifically non-achievement, that has followed Obama since law school. In later years, Obama practiced law for a few years and then he had enough of that. His 1995 book, Dreams From My Father showed much promise, yet Obama didn't further explore his skills in this area until over a decade later with the best forgotten campaign tome, The Audacity of Hope. Similarly, Obama was a part time state legislator of minimal accomplishments. When Obama went to the United States Senate, he impressed his colleagues with his potential. But he again never attempted to tap that potential, beginning a run for president shortly after his arrival in the World's Greatest Deliberative Body.

Unlike Obama, one wouldn't look at the early years in Sarah Palin's résumé and necessarily see unlimited potential. A 1987 graduate of the University of Idaho, Palin's greatest accomplishments from her youth would come in the "Miscellaneous Information" portion of the résumé. The fact that she had won a beauty contest would impress some people. Her sinking of a critical free throw on a broken ankle in her high school state championship would impress others. Still, there would be nothing in Palin's résumé from her younger years that would suggest potential like Obama's.

And yet throughout her adult life Palin, again unlike Obama, overachieved. In 1992, she got elected to the Wasilla, AK city council. In 1996 she became mayor. She was by all accounts a very successful mayor. Her résumé entry for her mayoral years would have all sorts of bullet points for tangible accomplishments like reducing city property taxes by 40 percent. Similarly, Palin's time as governor has been distinguished. Both would starkly contrast with the various stops in Obama's career where he occasionally held impressive titles but accomplished little.

Two things would leap out from Sarah Palin's résumé--a pattern of overachievement and a pattern of actually getting things done. Two things would also leap out from Barack Obama's résumé--an undeniable wealth of talent and an equally undeniable dearth of accomplishments.

While it has become almost a cliché on the right to belittle Obama as a talker rather than a doer, his résumé suggests just that. Obama does have the requisite brain power to be president; it's unlikely that the intellectual demands of the job would overwhelm him. But his past work experience is unnerving. Obama had ample talent to excel at all the other positions he has held, and yet he accomplished little at each. So what would he do as president? Would his efforts in the Oval Office be as indifferent and irresolute as they've been at every other stop along his professional path? Could one imagine him making the political sacrifices and showing the fondness for bold action that characterized Harry S. Truman?

As for Palin, she lacks Obama's glittering Ivy League credentials. While that fact scandalizes vast portions of the Bos-Wash corridor, the scandalized neglect the most common purpose for an education--to develop one's abilities to such a point that one can actually begin accomplishing things. And there again is where Palin shines--she has gotten a tremendous amount done everyplace she has been.

In truth, Sarah Palin is the kind of employee virtually every enterprise seeks--the kind who gets things done. And Barack Obama is the kind of employee a company hires only when it's in the mood for taking a risk and willing to wager that the candidate's past performance isn't predictive of his future efforts.

Dean Barnett is a staff writer at THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
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That's one point of view, hardly enough to make a decision on. Two people I retired with moved to Alaska (we use to fly up once a year to fish), I'll contact them and see if that pans out..........
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They say America wants change the Dems thought they defined change with Obama- they forgot that maybe experience does matter- so they tried to correct with the biggest insider the Gove. has to offer-Biden-He couldn't even keep from insulting Gen Petraus on the sdand.
Well hold on to you hats America- The old man and the Cougar are change by any deffinition. Palin is real people as Dave was talking about point understood- there is always somebody out there that doesn't like a leader- at the end of the day the people that get **** done will win. McCain & Palin will get it done.
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