McCain's VP Pick

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

I don't see you complaining about the GOP slimeballs making up crap about Obama...

Trouble is, most of that crap has its' basis in fact. So, filtering out the embellishments of the facts, still leaves the inconvenient facts.

[GlynMeek]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

Trouble is, most of that crap has its' basis in fact. So, filtering out the embellishments of the facts, still leaves the inconvenient facts.

This could be said of either party's crap. Most of the stuff about McCain and Palin has its basis in facts, so this argument won't fly!

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

This could be said of either party's crap.

Well.....duh. Did you just achieve that epiphany?

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

Most of the stuff about McCain and Palin has its basis in facts, so this argument won't fly!

The problem is, it flies in ALL directions. You think the Democratic Party Standard Bearer (hereinafter to be known as the DPSB) is exempt? The only differential is just how sad the basis is.

[VRM]

The basis is VERY sad on both sides. McCain himself is telling outright lies about Obama in order to win. That indicates that his own platform is too weak to win on its own merits. He is also saying that his campaign has gone negative because Obama refused to meet him in his proposed town hall format (also untrue, but McCain did not like the counter offer). I do not see that as a valid reason to lie about what the other candidates position is.

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

McCain himself is telling outright lies about Obama in order to win.

Indeed? - got some quotes for us?

Originally Posted by VRM

He is also saying that his campaign has gone negative because Obama refused to meet him in his proposed town hall format (also untrue, but McCain did not like the counter offer). .

So - in other words, McCain DIDN'T lie, Obama DID refuse, but, well, um, hey, McCain is scum for not accepting modifications to a McCain-presented forum.
You DID notice it wasn't an Obama-presented forum, right?

Originally Posted by VRM

I do not see that as a valid reason to lie about what the other candidates position is.

Huh. Don't see the lie - seems Obama tried to change horses mid-stream and got caught for it.
But there is truth in here - Obama clearly doesn't want to go toe-to-toe in an open, unstructured forum, for reasons we can speculate on all day long.
No lie in that!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

Indeed? - got some quotes for us?

So - in other words, McCain DIDN'T lie, Obama DID refuse, but, well, um, hey, McCain is scum for not accepting modifications to a McCain-presented forum.
You DID notice it wasn't an Obama-presented forum, right?

Huh. Don't see the lie - seems Obama tried to change horses mid-stream and got caught for it.
But there is truth in here - Obama clearly doesn't want to go toe-to-toe in an open, unstructured forum, for reasons we can speculate on all day long.
No lie in that!

McCains campaign has ads saying that Obama would raise taxes on working families, including those that make $42K or less, and he approved those messages. McCain himself has also made the same remarks during campaign speeches. It is not true.

I never called McCain scum for not accepting Obamas counter-proposal to the town hall meeting. Both campaigns want their candidate to have the best advantage possible when debating the other guy. I expect this, and they usually compromise. Obamas counter offer did include a town hall, along with other types of joint events. So far, McCains campaign has not responded to the counter offer. They seem content to say that Obama does not want to meet them at all, conveniently leaving out the part that Obama did agree to meet them under a different format.

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

McCains campaign has ads saying that Obama would raise taxes on working families, including those that make $42K or less, and he approved those messages. McCain himself has also made the same remarks during campaign speeches. It is not true..

Many, many times posted in here and other threads - Obama's intent for the inheritance and capital gains taxes are to greviously escalate them. Do you believe people who make less than $42K don't have families or invest?

Originally Posted by VRM

I never called McCain scum for not accepting Obamas counter-proposal to the town hall meeting. Both campaigns want their candidate to have the best advantage possible when debating the other guy. I expect this, and they usually compromise. Obamas counter offer did include a town hall, along with other types of joint events. So far, McCains campaign has not responded to the counter offer. They seem content to say that Obama does not want to meet them at all, conveniently leaving out the part that Obama did agree to meet them under a different format.

I know you didn't call him scum - my apologies to you if it seemed implied to you, that wasn't the intent. With regard to the town hall meets, the format was simple and - essentially - bereft of advantage to ANYONE; that was the appeal. The Obama camp seeks to build in some advantage - not unexpected, but deviously outside the purpose and scope of the original venues. That doesn't sound like not wanting to meet? - there will be regulated debates where they'll have tons of control over the environment...McCain's challenge has been about showing the world your b*lls and stepping out of the contrived, manipulated big show, an act of courage manifestly rejected by the Obama camp.