Texas holdouts committing Suicide

[FWB]

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by FWB

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

Is that what happened? I never heard that one before!

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by FWB

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

Where did you get this from? I never heard of that. Not saying that it is or is not true, just never heard it before.

[Ron61]

Buzz,

I never meant that I hoped anyone lost their lives. I meant that I don't think they have any right to cry for help and have other people have to risk their lives and time trying to get to them when they had plenty of time to leave, That idiot woman that had the bar at Galveston and they showed her on TV with some friends and she said they were just going to sit and have a few beers and watch the hurricane. They get the same reactions from some idiots when they go to evacuate a town or places around here for the fires. One fool actually shot at a patrol car when they went to try to get him to leave. They never had enough resources to send back up and just left him. They found what was left of him about 100 yards from the remains of his house as he had tried to run out when the fire got there. Do I feel sorry for him No. Am I happy that he died NO.

I have spent most of the morning watching TV and the first pictures coming in and it looks as if Houston got hammered pretty good and they are saying that Dallas could get some heavy rain and some wind, but not real bad wind. The last track they showed, it looks as if it is gong to cross Arkansas and Oklahoma with a lot of rain and some wind. Where my cousin lives they are saying they may get up to 10" or rain.

Ron

[Buzz]

An excerpt from the investigation report on NASCAR.com:

Raddin said that Earnhardt's death was not the result of a single cause, but that a combination of several unusual factors triggered his death.

"These (factors) included the uncommon severity and trajectory of the car's impact with the wall, an immediately prior collision with (Ken Schrader's car) that put him out of position, and a separation of the left lap belt under load that allowed greater motion within the car," Raddin said.

Raddin later said that he believed that Earnhardt might still have perished even had the belt remained intact, and that was backed up by a critical excerpt from the report:

"The seatbelt separation cannot be isolated as the sole cause of Dale Earnhardt's death. While the separation of the lap belt increased the potential for serious injury, the precise timing of the separation during the impact is unknown.

"As the experts explain, the crash was very severe, several events coincided in a unique manner to produce a tragic result, and none of them can be singled out as the sole cause. In other words, it is impossible to determine with certainty whether Dale Earnhardt would or would not have survived if the lap belt had remained intact."

Much evidence regarding the seat belt in question was included in the report, via an 11-point synopsis:


1. The belt system was found loose and displaced to the right.

2. There was no opportunity for cutting.

3. No one at the accident scene could confirm that the belt was intact or separated.

4. The medical examiner photographs show a separated belt.

5. The left lap belt has been secured since the accident.

6. DNA and other evidence confirm the separated left lap belt in NASCAR's possession is the belt from the Earnhardt accident.

7. Fiber analysis shows that the belt was torn under stress and not cut.

8. The pattern of injuries is consistent with separation of the belt during impact.

9. The anchored portion of the left lap belt show that it was "dumped," meaning the seat belt's webbing is pulled or moved significantly to one side of the metal adjustment device through which the webbing is threaded.

10. Simpson Race Products experts concur that the left lap belt separated during the impact.

11. The chain of custody demonstrates that there was no opportunity for anyone to invent a separated lap belt.

Although the belt was clearly broken, Bill Simpson, who founded the company that manufactured the belt, continues to place the blame on the belt's installation. He was in attendance Tuesday, but said little at the urging of the herd of lawyers that surrounded him.

Raddin also concentrated on the medical aspect of the investigation, which included an in-depth look at Earnhardt's extensive injuries, including eight broken ribs, a broken sternum, a broken left ankle, a broken left clavicle and several abrasions.

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Buzz

An excerpt from the investigation report on NASCAR.com:

Quote:
Raddin said that Earnhardt's death was not the result of a single cause, but that a combination of several unusual factors triggered his death.

"These (factors) included the uncommon severity and trajectory of the car's impact with the wall, an immediately prior collision with (Ken Schrader's car) that put him out of position, and a separation of the left lap belt under load that allowed greater motion within the car," Raddin said.

Raddin later said that he believed that Earnhardt might still have perished even had the belt remained intact, and that was backed up by a critical excerpt from the report:

"The seatbelt separation cannot be isolated as the sole cause of Dale Earnhardt's death. While the separation of the lap belt increased the potential for serious injury, the precise timing of the separation during the impact is unknown.

"As the experts explain, the crash was very severe, several events coincided in a unique manner to produce a tragic result, and none of them can be singled out as the sole cause. In other words, it is impossible to determine with certainty whether Dale Earnhardt would or would not have survived if the lap belt had remained intact."

Much evidence regarding the seat belt in question was included in the report, via an 11-point synopsis:


1. The belt system was found loose and displaced to the right.

2. There was no opportunity for cutting.

3. No one at the accident scene could confirm that the belt was intact or separated.

4. The medical examiner photographs show a separated belt.

5. The left lap belt has been secured since the accident.

6. DNA and other evidence confirm the separated left lap belt in NASCAR's possession is the belt from the Earnhardt accident.

7. Fiber analysis shows that the belt was torn under stress and not cut.

8. The pattern of injuries is consistent with separation of the belt during impact.

9. The anchored portion of the left lap belt show that it was "dumped," meaning the seat belt's webbing is pulled or moved significantly to one side of the metal adjustment device through which the webbing is threaded.

10. Simpson Race Products experts concur that the left lap belt separated during the impact.

11. The chain of custody demonstrates that there was no opportunity for anyone to invent a separated lap belt.

Although the belt was clearly broken, Bill Simpson, who founded the company that manufactured the belt, continues to place the blame on the belt's installation. He was in attendance Tuesday, but said little at the urging of the herd of lawyers that surrounded him.

Raddin also concentrated on the medical aspect of the investigation, which included an in-depth look at Earnhardt's extensive injuries, including eight broken ribs, a broken sternum, a broken left ankle, a broken left clavicle and several abrasions.





Maybe I misunderstood the previous post. What I read in the post was that Dale unhooked his belt on purpose on the last lap I.E. EGO LAP.

I read into this last post that the separated belt was done in the accident. I see no where that they think that he took off his belt while driving.

Terry

[FWB]

was in the nascar report after the crash investigation

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by hey,littlecobra

I do feel badly for my couple of friends that have beach houses. I wonder if they're still standing.
Kristen

Some would say it serves them right for building a house near the beach in the first place. They knew the risks!

[427 S/O]

Most stay for fear of theft, kinda hard to imagine 'stuff' being that valuable but, it is to some folks. Katrina is a pretty good example....imo.

[imagine2frolic]

Buzz,

I didn't read any one wishing death on these people. You got to admit it is pathetic to put youtrself in harm's way. Then expect someone who has warned you to come to your rescue, and place themselves in harm's way.

I don't think the car, and sailing comparison is equal at all. Waiting on a sandbar to be faced with a 20ft wall of water is not smart. I don't feel bad for the people who faced suicide by staying. I feel bad for the people who loved them that have to live with the loss. I stick by my words. It is a thinning of the gene pool.

[stuartb]

I am going to compare it to what happens where I live. I live in Colorado and during the winter we sometimes have avalanches. They give avalanche conditions for the day, and if you are going into the backcountry/forest you are supposed to check them. People go all the time the smart ones check the avalanche forecast and if it is a bad forecast they don't go and if it is good they go. If it is bad and they go then get caught in the backcountry and have to call for help, when it is all over they get fined and if the rescuers are injured or killed the dumbies that went out are responsible for the outcome. That is how this should be. But they should have left. They had plenty of time to leave. I could understand if it was a sudden thing that no one knew was coming but come on use your head and do the smart thing.

[392cobra]

Ernie,
Your non-stop whining like a little girl is really starting to get old.

[Ron61]

Just copied these two paragraphs from the headline news on my front page. At least they are relevant to this thread.

At first light, it was unclear how many may have perished, and authorities mobilized for a huge search-and-rescue operation to reach the more than 100,000 people who ignored warnings that any attempt to ride the storm out could bring "certain death."

"The unfortunate truth is we're going to have to go in ... and put our people in the tough situation to save people who did not choose wisely. We'll probably do the largest search-and-rescue operation that's ever been conducted in the state of Texas," said Andrew Barlow, spokesman for Gov. Rick Perry.

Ron

[427 S/O]

Thank you Fred...........

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Joe Wicked, the ship was LEAVING port to get OUT of the way of the storm which it knew was coming. It made it about 90 miles out when the engines quit.

If that is the case, then I do feel for them. The story as it was reported here in DFW was that they were trying to cut across the storm track before it hit, not that they were trying to get out of port before the storm hit. Those 2 different stories are very different. My feelings toward it were the same as those people who try to beat the train to the crossing. I feel for their families, but not them. I based my assumptions and feeling on how the story was reported.

[Jamo]

Buzz...I had to look into a friend's eyes after he saved some folks who refused a mandatory evacuation in front of a forest fire. Burns covering 70% of his body.

He died the next day.

Folks that don't leave should be held criminally reponsible for the deaths of any responders who try to save them

If I don't sound too charitable...been in an NLRB election hearing listing to union whiners for the past few days. Tends to make ya want to kick a few dogs.

[Buzz]

I know the "victims" aren't the only ones that suffer in a disaster and by far the nobler and more tragic are the losses felt by the rescuers and those who truly can't get out of harms way. I understand the anger part big buddy, I just have difficulty seeing humour or satire in any of it.

We are all coloured by our experiences and as this discussion goes on I begin to see that my perspective may just not be broad enough on this one to fully and objectively appreciate the other point of view.

PS - I know what you mean about dealing with the union types and their mentality - been there.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Buzz...I had to look into a friend's eyes after he saved some folks who refused a mandatory evacuation in front of a forest fire. Burns covering 70% of his body.

He died the next day.

Folks that don't leave should be held criminally reponsible for the deaths of any responders who try to save them

If I don't sound too charitable...been in an NLRB election hearing listing to union whiners for the past few days. Tends to make ya want to kick a few dogs.

How do you do it? How can you stand that pathetic union whining? Money must be dam good.

Sorry about your friend. Agree on charging a-holes who stay...

Mike

[Jamo]

Assolutely agree with you re it not being funny, my friend...phuking tragic is what it is.

[Ron61]

Ernie,

I think that those who stayed for the fires and now this storm are just more dumb than afraid of change. When they finally get these last two fires here out, a lot of lives will be changed. One person that I talked to who was in the evacuation center they set up in Anderson said he had refused to leave his house until he saw just how terrifying that wall of flame coming toward him was and that his little water hose was nothing. And after he got out with a helicopter dumping water to clear the road for him, his house wasn't burned after all.

Ron