Texas holdouts committing Suicide

[FWB]

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by FWB

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

Is that what happened? I never heard that one before!

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by FWB

buzz, dale ernhardt was stupid he died because he liked to take off his seat belt
for his ego lap. in the end it killed him.

Where did you get this from? I never heard of that. Not saying that it is or is not true, just never heard it before.

[Ron61]

Buzz,

I never meant that I hoped anyone lost their lives. I meant that I don't think they have any right to cry for help and have other people have to risk their lives and time trying to get to them when they had plenty of time to leave, That idiot woman that had the bar at Galveston and they showed her on TV with some friends and she said they were just going to sit and have a few beers and watch the hurricane. They get the same reactions from some idiots when they go to evacuate a town or places around here for the fires. One fool actually shot at a patrol car when they went to try to get him to leave. They never had enough resources to send back up and just left him. They found what was left of him about 100 yards from the remains of his house as he had tried to run out when the fire got there. Do I feel sorry for him No. Am I happy that he died NO.

I have spent most of the morning watching TV and the first pictures coming in and it looks as if Houston got hammered pretty good and they are saying that Dallas could get some heavy rain and some wind, but not real bad wind. The last track they showed, it looks as if it is gong to cross Arkansas and Oklahoma with a lot of rain and some wind. Where my cousin lives they are saying they may get up to 10" or rain.

Ron

[Buzz]

An excerpt from the investigation report on NASCAR.com:

Raddin said that Earnhardt's death was not the result of a single cause, but that a combination of several unusual factors triggered his death.

"These (factors) included the uncommon severity and trajectory of the car's impact with the wall, an immediately prior collision with (Ken Schrader's car) that put him out of position, and a separation of the left lap belt under load that allowed greater motion within the car," Raddin said.

Raddin later said that he believed that Earnhardt might still have perished even had the belt remained intact, and that was backed up by a critical excerpt from the report:

"The seatbelt separation cannot be isolated as the sole cause of Dale Earnhardt's death. While the separation of the lap belt increased the potential for serious injury, the precise timing of the separation during the impact is unknown.

"As the experts explain, the crash was very severe, several events coincided in a unique manner to produce a tragic result, and none of them can be singled out as the sole cause. In other words, it is impossible to determine with certainty whether Dale Earnhardt would or would not have survived if the lap belt had remained intact."

Much evidence regarding the seat belt in question was included in the report, via an 11-point synopsis:


1. The belt system was found loose and displaced to the right.

2. There was no opportunity for cutting.

3. No one at the accident scene could confirm that the belt was intact or separated.

4. The medical examiner photographs show a separated belt.

5. The left lap belt has been secured since the accident.

6. DNA and other evidence confirm the separated left lap belt in NASCAR's possession is the belt from the Earnhardt accident.

7. Fiber analysis shows that the belt was torn under stress and not cut.

8. The pattern of injuries is consistent with separation of the belt during impact.

9. The anchored portion of the left lap belt show that it was "dumped," meaning the seat belt's webbing is pulled or moved significantly to one side of the metal adjustment device through which the webbing is threaded.

10. Simpson Race Products experts concur that the left lap belt separated during the impact.

11. The chain of custody demonstrates that there was no opportunity for anyone to invent a separated lap belt.

Although the belt was clearly broken, Bill Simpson, who founded the company that manufactured the belt, continues to place the blame on the belt's installation. He was in attendance Tuesday, but said little at the urging of the herd of lawyers that surrounded him.

Raddin also concentrated on the medical aspect of the investigation, which included an in-depth look at Earnhardt's extensive injuries, including eight broken ribs, a broken sternum, a broken left ankle, a broken left clavicle and several abrasions.

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Buzz

An excerpt from the investigation report on NASCAR.com:

Quote:
Raddin said that Earnhardt's death was not the result of a single cause, but that a combination of several unusual factors triggered his death.

"These (factors) included the uncommon severity and trajectory of the car's impact with the wall, an immediately prior collision with (Ken Schrader's car) that put him out of position, and a separation of the left lap belt under load that allowed greater motion within the car," Raddin said.

Raddin later said that he believed that Earnhardt might still have perished even had the belt remained intact, and that was backed up by a critical excerpt from the report:

"The seatbelt separation cannot be isolated as the sole cause of Dale Earnhardt's death. While the separation of the lap belt increased the potential for serious injury, the precise timing of the separation during the impact is unknown.

"As the experts explain, the crash was very severe, several events coincided in a unique manner to produce a tragic result, and none of them can be singled out as the sole cause. In other words, it is impossible to determine with certainty whether Dale Earnhardt would or would not have survived if the lap belt had remained intact."

Much evidence regarding the seat belt in question was included in the report, via an 11-point synopsis:


1. The belt system was found loose and displaced to the right.

2. There was no opportunity for cutting.

3. No one at the accident scene could confirm that the belt was intact or separated.

4. The medical examiner photographs show a separated belt.

5. The left lap belt has been secured since the accident.

6. DNA and other evidence confirm the separated left lap belt in NASCAR's possession is the belt from the Earnhardt accident.

7. Fiber analysis shows that the belt was torn under stress and not cut.

8. The pattern of injuries is consistent with separation of the belt during impact.

9. The anchored portion of the left lap belt show that it was "dumped," meaning the seat belt's webbing is pulled or moved significantly to one side of the metal adjustment device through which the webbing is threaded.

10. Simpson Race Products experts concur that the left lap belt separated during the impact.

11. The chain of custody demonstrates that there was no opportunity for anyone to invent a separated lap belt.

Although the belt was clearly broken, Bill Simpson, who founded the company that manufactured the belt, continues to place the blame on the belt's installation. He was in attendance Tuesday, but said little at the urging of the herd of lawyers that surrounded him.

Raddin also concentrated on the medical aspect of the investigation, which included an in-depth look at Earnhardt's extensive injuries, including eight broken ribs, a broken sternum, a broken left ankle, a broken left clavicle and several abrasions.





Maybe I misunderstood the previous post. What I read in the post was that Dale unhooked his belt on purpose on the last lap I.E. EGO LAP.

I read into this last post that the separated belt was done in the accident. I see no where that they think that he took off his belt while driving.

Terry

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Quote:
Maybe I misunderstood the previous post. What I read in the post was that Dale unhooked his belt on purpose on the last lap I.E. EGO LAP.

I read into this last post that the separated belt was done in the accident. I see no where that they think that he took off his belt while driving.

Terry

I'm with you Terry. That's why I posted the report. Nowhere does it even speculate that the seatbelt was deliberately unhooked.


Going back to the huricane thing, HLC made a valid point. People become desensitized after boarding up and battening down or evacuating several times only to find that the storm either never arrives or does little damage when it does. A new warning is issued and they weigh the "historical" probabilities against the risk and hassle of evac and end up making a stupid decision.

I've seen it here many times but I've also seen the terror in a drowning person's eyes up close and personal and I've seen and felt the pain of losing a loved one. Trust me, I've faced some nasty situations and done what I had to do. If you think I'm just a liberal wimp you're mistaken and I'm not prone to whining, but I see little opportunity for humor and political satire in the death and destruction of a hurricane - no matter how stupid the victims were.

If you've never jumped into pounding, rocky surf and belted a bleeding, panicked woman between the eyes to stun her and stop her from clawing at your face so you can get both your butts to safety or tried unsuccessfully to revive a man on the beach while his wife kneels there praying, your experience with mayhem may just be limited to watching it on tv from the comfort of your barcalounger. In that case let's just say I understand your points but we'll continue to differ on the details.

[FWB]

was in the nascar report after the crash investigation