Obama's Idea of Change

[Smokingcobra2]

Change- bringing in as a vp choice a guy who has been in washington 35 years and is part of the big mess where less than 20% of voters like them.
YUP thats CHANGE.
joeg

[cobra de capell]

When BO thinks about 'change' it's your change that he is after, plus get a load of changes according to Michelle -

“Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.”

"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."

“There is still a lot of hard work that we as a country need to do. They can’t look to any one individual, whether it’s Barack or it’s the next new hope that’s going to appear to be that savior. And I would just hate for people to sort of see this potential and think: Oh, now I can rest easy because Barack Obama is going to fix things. It doesn’t work that way.”

“Iowa will make the difference,” Mrs. Obama said. “If Barack doesn’t win Iowa, it is just a dream. If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be.”

"For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

[cobra bill]

So what will Grampy McCsame do to change things? remember the keating 5
Yeah we bailed that one out too, it seems the only time the GOP is for socialism is when their buddies need to be bailed out again!

[427 S/O]

Bill, read this...........

ROBERT BENNETT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY for billy C. BJ and he investigated the keating 5Quoted from hannity and colmes:

You know, I'm in a pretty unique position to talk about John McCain. First, I should tell your listeners I'm a registered Democrat, so I'm not on his side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five, which, by the way, this "New York Times" article goes back to and discusses, goes back years and years.

And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest and honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him, and I think for the "New York Times" to dig this up just shows that Senator McCain's public statement about this is correct. It's a smear job. I'm sorry.

[cobra bill]

Is that Bill Bennett brother? Either way I will look into it more, thanks!
I still feel the same way about McCain, he was at the bottom of his class in the Naval Academy and crashed 5 aircraft, as a former naval aviator, I can tell you he had no business ever being in an aircraft and certainly no business in the Whitehouse, he's under qualified for the job as a senator!

[turnpike boy]

Probably so.

But if so, that means Obama isn't even on the same planet as McCain.

[427 S/O]

Joe Biden was picked because because of his experience in the Senate and his foreign policy credentials. B.S.

Joe has been dead wrong on foreign policy at almost every point. His so called dedication is a joke and his position on national defense and foreign policy has been wrong, Don't take my word for it, check for yourself. BTW, where is Joe.

[427 S/O]

Wait a minute Bill, crashed 5 aircraft?. You better have undeniable proof of each and every one. Common sense tells me he would have been booted after the second one. I could be wrong but, I don't believe the navy has that much patience.

[cobra bill]

McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.


Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

[427 S/O]

So it's 'two', in what I term as negligence, maybe?. Then he went on to accomplish carrier take-offs and landings!. He has my total support and VOTE!.

[cobra bill]

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.


JOHN MCCAIN was directly responsible for the
DEATHS of
FELLOW AMERICAN PILOTS in VIETNAM
to view interview with Colonel Earl Hopper


The War Secrets Senator John McCain Hides
Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files


Why has McCain been Communist Vietnam's best friend in the US Congress?


Was John McCain Brainwashed by his North Vietnamese Captors to Destroy this Nation?

[cobra bill]

BOTH KOREA AND VIETNAM

According to sources, some of the same KGB agents and their associates, often the latter posing as foreign journalists, were involved in attempting to exploit American POWs for intelligence and propaganda purposes in both Korea and Vietnam. To cite as just one example, Australian communist journalist Wilfred Burchett, well known to American POWs for this activity in Korea, later appeared in the same role in Vietnam.

Pentagon files regarding exploitation of U.S. prisoners of war in Indochina are kept secret, except from the hierarchy of the U.S. intelligence community and some high U.S. government officials. It of course also remains in the files of the communist exploiters of the POWs.

As it stands, the American people will never know the truth about this exploitation in Vietnam, unless some official body, such as the Senate Select Committee, subpoenas the files from the Pentagon. As an example, the Senate Select Committee has never followed up on the explosive testimony of former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin, who testified, under oath, that the KGB interrogated U.S. POWs in Vietnam.

Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Whether this is true or not it certainly begs to be investigated and, like it or not, Sen. John McCain fits the description, and his behavior, also like it or not, raises serious questions. The fact that he is a United States Senator should not be a factor, alas, "The Manchurian Candidate" possibility.

When it comes to matters of national security and the welfare of every man, woman and child in the United States, there should be no sacred cows, and it must not be forgotten that Sen. McCain was being considered for higher office, prior to his numerous appearances on national television defending his involvement in the Savings and Loan scandal.

In November of 1991, when Tracy Usry, the former chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Select Committee, he revealed that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. Sen. McCain became outraged interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets." However, this was simply not true and Sen. McCain knows that from firsthand experience.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war, he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

Bui Tin, who indicated he favored a normalization of relations between the U.S. and Vietnam, also offered the committee his records concerning his personal interrogations of American POWs.

[427 S/O]

Well, That's lengthy, although there are a number of fellow prisoners and others that John served with, who would contest your view.

To keep it fair and balanced, give us, in your view, a comparable, in depth, detailed report on obama?.

[427 S/O]

And another thing, if, all that were true, it would have been all over the news before you were born!. I've been sorta working on 'O'NO!'s qualifications and so far, I've use about two lines on a legal pad. Can you help me out?.

[cobra bill]

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Originally Posted by 427 S/O

And another thing, if, all that were true, it would have been all over the news before you were born!. I've been sorta working on 'O'NO!'s qualifications and so far, I've use about two lines on a legal pad. Can you help me out?.

Ha! I am a Vietnam vet, so I guess I was born and I'm not exactly sure what you are asking my help in?

[427 S/O]

Good or bad?, bad is a dishonorable discharge Ernie.

[427 S/O]

Well, we know a little more!, Simple, detail 'O'NO!'s accomplishmnts and experience to hold the position of POTUS. I want.....details.......not why you hate the right.

[cobra bill]

OK, I'm a Vietnam vet myself, I was in the Navy as a naval aviator, I did one tour in Nam and was part of the evacuation, this was well after what was thought to be the end of the war as they new it in the states, I then worked for the Navy for 20 years in the aviation field, then I was transferred to work for the army, I now have 33 years working for the armed forces, most of what I do now is training the troops before deployment.
Most of my disagreement with the right is more to do with the fact that they have lost there way, I used to be one until the party was high jacked by the neo cons, and they lost there conservative values.