Saddam's WMD Found & Removed

[wtm442]

Originally Posted by VRM

There is a little more to the story than the spin version presented.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...at_the_us.html

Note that this stuff was under guard from 1991 until 2003 when the US invaded.

Steve

Steve
Great - info from a website linked to the Annenburg Project. Another ultra-liberal site linked to the radical Ayers that bombed the Pentagon, and Osama Obama worked on that project for a while. Oh, and also connected to that wonderful group called ACORN that is currently under investigation for voter fraud in a dozen states.

And I really like that hard hitting factual claims they produce like the last statement on the first Q&A .... and I quote ...

There is more to the article, but I wonder if the claim "the U.S. found massive amounts of yellowcake" can be substantiated and, maybe as a followup, if true, I wonder why the major media seems to have ignored this.

Hard hitting facts ... using the term "I wonder" twice and "if" twice. WOW.

What concrete evidence! I'm amazed the writer did not say ... na, na ... my father can beat up your father.

Anyone who thinks the info on that web page is factual has definitely gone into the Kool-Aid jug a few too many times.

And I almost forgot ... since I wrote something critical of the Messiah Obama, I must be a racist.

God help us if that smooth talking socialist gets elected.

[VRM]

Warren,
It's a Q and A. The Q was either sent in by somebody, or they phrased it in the form if an informal question themselves - probably paraphrasing from a bunch of similar questions. Go back and re-read - pay a little closer attention to the format when you do.

If you have evidence linking them to Ayers or some other group please feel free to post it rather than just making accusations.

And then feel free to read the ISG report.

Steve

[NeoConMan]

Ayers?
You mean this guy?



What's that he's standing on so proudly?
Yeah, Obama kicked off his political career in 1995 in this guy's living room.
Maybe that's why Obama refused show any reverence or salute the flag - or wear a lapel pin.

Ayers has accomplished alot over the years, a dozen bombs including the Pentagon.
Seven people dead - I thought Liberals didn't like it when people died...

On September 11th, 2001, Ayers says in the New York Times (where the bombs should have been) he had no regrets about it and should have done more.
After all, he beat the charges and escaped conviction thru the very same subterfuge Obama relishes and the Clintons conquered the world on.

Okay, I'll stop.
This is so effortless, so obvious, yet millions of Americans can't seem to grasp it.
This country deserves Obama if he's voted in as President.

[computerworks]

The topic was about WMD...it was not about Ayers or Liberals.

Lounge or no Lounge, stay on topic or move on.

thanks

ron
ClubCobra Moderator

[NeoConMan]

Ayers was referenced in the VRM post above.
I was following along.

Left-Wing and anti-war are terms used in the intial post setting the tone for this thread.

Okay, disagreeing with the Mod Squad is never a good thing to do....
Sorry Ron, scolding heeded.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by NeoConMan

Ayers was referenced in the VRM post above.
I was following along.

Left-Wing and anti-war are terms used in the intial post setting the tone for this thread.

Okay, disagreeing with the Mod Squad is never a good thing to do....
Sorry Ron, scolding heeded.

NCM,
I mentioned Ayers because he was listed in a post by Warren as a reason to discredit one of my sources of information.

I agree that Hussein had WMD - he did use them on the Kurds. However, those WMD would have expired after a small handful of years and become useless. The UN had teams in Iraq with unrestricted access just before our invasion. They found nothing of any real importance (empty rocket tubes), nor did they find anything indicating that there had been any recent WMD development, and the ISG report bears this out.

Something could have been transported out, but if we had any sort of legitimate suspicion/evidence that had happened then shouldn't we have invaded Syria or Jordan?

Steve

[VRM]

Oh, and Brittney Spears = Eye Rack! (insert salacious smilie here!)

[MChat]

Originally Posted by VRM

Something could have been transported out, but if we had any sort of legitimate suspicion/evidence that had happened then shouldn't we have invaded Syria or Jordan?

Doing that would require opening a huge can of worms. Syria/Jordan are in effect just puppet kingdoms of Iran. Mess with Syria/Jordan and you have to mess with Iran. And Iran is really friendly with Russia; so much so that Russia has said an attack on Iran would be considered an attack on Russia.

The bottom line is Afghanistan and Iraq were kind of "outsiders" in the whole middle east. The Fundamentalist Islamics (Taliban) in control of Afghanistan are an embarassement to the more "moderate" Islamic countries. And Saddam wasn't well liked because of his brutality toward his own countrymen, and his constant warring with surrounding countries, among other things.

Islamic politics are a very odd. They all have varying degrees of dislike for the "West." They all have a certain amount of dislike for one another. But they all share an equal hatred for Israel; the only thing they can't seem to agree on concerning Israel is who is going to get to destroy Israel.

[wtm442]

Originally Posted by VRM

However, those WMD would have expired after a small handful of years and become useless.
Steve

Useless? I would not want to bet my life on someones opinion that a WMD is useless after some period of time.

[NeoConMan]

Hmmm....
Hey UKCobra,
What's a few tons of yellowcake between sworn enemies?
The stuff itself is not that dangerous, but could cause a helluva scare.
Once the refining process gets going, it's a different story.




Steve, I gotta bring a couple things you mentioned back for discussion.

Originally Posted by VRM

The UN had teams in Iraq with unrestricted access just before our invasion.

Wrong.
Hans Blix was given the Trick or Treat schtick the whole time he was there.
I watched this with unwavering attention as it ALL unfolded - on CNN.
Along with all three network newscasts and the odd Nightline special, there was plenty of coverage of the Keystone Kops charade Saddam put the UN through.
They would sit at a palace, awaiting the entry Saddam had already promised them.
Meanwhile, Saddam ALWAYS knew exactly where ALL of the UN weapons inspectors were so he could maneuver his goodies unhindered.

Disagree with me all you want, but this is the cold, hard truth.

Originally Posted by VRM

They found nothing of any real importance (empty rocket tubes), nor did they find anything indicating that there had been any recent WMD development, and the ISG report bears this out.

That Independent Study Group report that the Liberal Left loves to parade around was assembled by a couple of lifelong bureaucrats with a decidedly anti-Bush agenda.
Think of Plame and Wilson, you have an idea of the mindset.
Lotsa people at the alphabet agencies had their jobs long before Bush was elected, and can ply their trade with their own spin applied - safe from political scrutiny.

The ISG is as good as toilet paper, the sole piece of "gotcha evidence" that can be used against Bush policies and decisions with an aire of validity.
It's a sham.

Originally Posted by VRM

Something could have been transported out, but if we had any sort of legitimate suspicion/evidence that had happened then shouldn't we have invaded Syria or Jordan?

No, we should have nuked them.


I'm kidding, but only a little.


Would you be so bold to proclaim we had no sort of legitimate suspicion/evidence that Syria or Jordan has ever acted against our interests?

Pick any decade since Israel was founded, I can give you a list longer than my arm.

Remember how quickly Pelosi hopped on a plane and flew to Damascus against the wishes of the White House? What was the urgency for her to meet with Assad?

She should have been charged with sedition, if not tried for treason.

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by VRM

NCM,
I mentioned Ayers because he was listed in a post by Warren as a reason to discredit one of my sources of information.

I agree that Hussein had WMD - he did use them on the Kurds. However, those WMD would have expired after a small handful of years and become useless.
Steve

Well, I am loosely grabbing at facts here, but uranium is slow to expire.

PS: I kind of like NCM's POV and attitude, but seriously, (and I realize there might be a log in my eye on this one), why would anyone come to a car site and create a username like NeoConMan? Just wondering.

Mike