October Surprise

[VRM]

Originally Posted by MChat

From another forum, I guess it has something to do with Obama's mother's age when he was born that she doesn't qualify with the above. Perhaps she didn't live in the U.S. for 2 or more years after she turned 14?

It's quite possible. I don't know the timeline. I may have to go look it up once my curiosity gets the better of me.

And Turnpike Boy may have a point...this trip to see his grandmother has...interesting...timing.

I don't trust a damn thing that any politican does, but if you look at who would benefit from this then McCain and Clinton certainly top the list. And just because it is a DNC lawyer causing the ruckus does not automatically mean that Clinton is behind it.

We will see - either way it looks like something will shake out very soon. Leave it to the DNC to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[MChat]

Originally Posted by VRM

And just because it is a DNC lawyer causing the ruckus does not automatically mean that Clinton is behind it.

Rumor has it, Berg is/was a Clinton supporter; not only that but the Judge was supposedly appointed by Bill Clinton. I have no idea how one would verify that info though.

Perhaps Hitlary would rather have Obama lose or be disqualified so she can run again in 2012?

This whole thing smells of dirty politics... smart of the McCain camp to just stay out of it.

[wtm442]

Yes, Berg is a Democrat

Yes, the judge was appointed by Clinton, but he is a lifelong registered Republican. Nothing wrong with this picture.

Regarding Obama's trip to Hawaii. Give the man a break guys ... his grandmother is very ill and may die.

Of course its best for McCain to stay out of this mess. It could blow the lid off this election and make the ACORN scandal look like a prank ... or it could be absolutely nothing. Just wait and see what happens.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by wtm442

Regarding Obama's trip to Hawaii. Give the man a break guys ... his grandmother is very ill and may die.

Maybe, I don't mean to be mean, but
Considering the money he has at his disposal and his jet
he didn't leave right away
If she were that stable to wait two days, couldn't he have flown her back to the states?
This is also the most crucial time in the election unless he thinks he had it in the bag...

His actions don't make sense.

[J. T. Toad]

oh yeah, all these arguments/discussions have been hashed out on the obamacrimes and americasright websites.

[wtm442]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

If she were that stable to wait two days, couldn't he have flown her back to the states?

If your mother was gravely sick in the hospital, would you stick her in an airplane for a 10 hour trip? I don't think so.

He definitely thinks he has the election won already. Also, by going on a long trip to Hawaii to see his mother, his advisers have probably told him he will pick up some votes from the elderly mothers in the USA.

Do not under-estimate Obama. He makes Slick Willie Clinton look like a political dummy.

But everyone get out and vote for McCain. Every vote counts. My sister is so mad at anyone that does not vote. She did not vote at her last local election because she was sick and it was raining that day, and one of the ballot questions that she wanted to see pass, lost by ONE vote.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

oh yeah, all these arguments/discussions have been hashed out on the obamacrimes and americasright websites.

I really don't like to waste much time reading radical right wing or left wing 'news' sources. Any website that also sells a bunch of T-shirts with images of 'pills' Limbaugh or Al Franken (stein) should be considered suspect. And if you do get sucked into one of those types of sites it is helpful to go read the opposite view - the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by MChat

Rumor has it, Berg is/was a Clinton supporter; not only that but the Judge was supposedly appointed by Bill Clinton. I have no idea how one would verify that info though.

Perhaps Hitlary would rather have Obama lose or be disqualified so she can run again in 2012?

This whole thing smells of dirty politics... smart of the McCain camp to just stay out of it.

I would not put it past Clinton to do this sort of thing. And I am not convinced that McCain did not have a hand in it either - possibly in cahoots with Clinton to take down a common enemy. Politics makes strange bedfellows. This is all speculation as none of us have enough info to go beyond that.

Steve

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

I really don't like to waste much time reading radical right wing or left wing 'news' sources.

You really don't know what your talking about.

Obamacrimes is Berg's website.

Americasright... is a law student covering the process.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Maybe, I don't mean to be mean, but
Considering the money he has at his disposal and his jet
he didn't leave right away
If she were that stable to wait two days, couldn't he have flown her back to the states?
This is also the most crucial time in the election unless he thinks he had it in the bag...

His actions don't make sense.

"His actions don't make sense" - Bingo, to also be applied to his associations, what we know of his background or don't know.......the list is long, but according to the polls - he will be the next POTUS. Possibly, we are screwed.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by wtm442

If your mother was gravely sick in the hospital, would you stick her in an airplane for a 10 hour trip? I don't think so.

She has a broken hip.... lying in bed flying for ten hours (five hours to Stanford) in a quite posh jet, with a nurse and doctor on hand, would be better care than she would receive in a traditional hospital.


If I had his kind of money, I would make sure she received the best, no offense to Hawaii's physician pool, medical care money could buy.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

You really don't know what your talking about.

Obamacrimes is Berg's website.

Americasright... is a law student covering the process.

Oh please...Americasright is a right wing blog that happens to be covering the court proceedings. Note the Karl Marx cartoon and other anti DNC subjects.
At least, to his credit, he appears to be a real conservative and (unlike some here) recognises that Bush is not.


And Obamacrimes is the website of Berg - notice his plea for donations - think he is sucking in a bunch of GOP faithful hoping for a way out of having Obama as president? And as he gets paid he also gets his 15 minutes of fame. What lawyer puts up a webpage showing case progress?

Grow some bloody objectivity.

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

Oh please... What lawyer puts up a webpage showing case progress?

Although the firm name escapes me right now, the firm that just got the Second Amendment affirmed by the Supreme Court had a webpage specifically for that purpose.

As has been previously stated, the arguments Berg has put up have ominous implications, should they be correct - certainly on a par with an enumerated right. His opportunistic acceptance of funding is hardly prima facie evidence of a corrupt intention.



-Roger

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

Oh please...Americasright is a right wing blog that happens to be covering the court proceedings. Note the Karl Marx cartoon and other anti DNC subjects.

And Obamacrimes is the website of Berg - notice his plea for donations - think he is sucking in a bunch of GOP faithful hoping for a way out of having Obama as president? And as he gets paid he also gets his 15 minutes of fame. What lawyer puts up a webpage showing case progress?

Grow some bloody objectivity.

OH PUH-LEEEZE,,, Americansright contends the suit will be dismissed.
Oh PUH-LEEEEZE "spread the wealth" isn't Marxist?
OH PUH-LEEEZE how many lawyers do you know who work pro-bono? I guess the ACLU does, but they usually win awards or settle where there compensation is 250K plus.
OH PUHHHHHHHH_LEEEEEEZE what lawyer HASN'T taken advantage of any and all public exposure they could attain. Where were you during the OJ trial?

Would a comment like this;

"lotion up and go please yourself. "

get a thread locked down?

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

Grow some bloody objectivity.

Right or wrong, I will wait for the court to determine objectivity, but that may be hard for you to understand as due to your British heritage, using terms like "bloody", you may not be that familiar with the way our court system works.

You want the other side then?

factcheck.org

there you go.

[cobra de capell]

Well, I'm still hoping for an October surprise, but praying for a November surprise, something like this......




So, VRM here's a card to put on your forehead around here.....

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

OH PUH-LEEEZE,,, Americansright contends the suit will be dismissed.
He also hopes for a favourable opinion. I wonder what he means by that...
Oh PUH-LEEEEZE "spread the wealth" isn't Marxist?
Spread the wealth is Marxist, but Obama wants to give me back more of my tax money and charge more taxes for the wealthy. That is not Marxist, just biased. And the wealthy already had a big tax cut a few years ago. In fact, by 2010 the richest 1-2% will have had a tax cut of about 5-6%, whilst all the rest of us will only have had a tax cut of 1-3%. Why shouldn't I get a 5% cut as well?

OH PUH-LEEEZE how many lawyers do you know who work pro-bono? I guess the ACLU does, but they usually win awards or settle where there compensation is 250K plus.
OH PUHHHHHHHH_LEEEEEEZE what lawyer HASN'T taken advantage of any and all public exposure they could attain. Where were you during the OJ trial?

I have no problem with lawyers working for pay, nor with self-promotion. However, my suspicious nature makes me wonder if this lawyer suspected his case would be thrown out, but went ahead anyways simply for the money and exposure.

Would a comment like this;

"lotion up and go please yourself. "

get a thread locked down?

Thanks, I just might.
And since I am such a nice guy let me return the favour with something I strongly suspect you will derive a great deal of pleasure from, though it may be a bit difficult for you to do physically - go bugger yourself. (and those of us with that 'British heritage' understand the difference)

Steve

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

go bugger yourself. (and those of us with that 'British heritage' understand the difference)

Steve

You don't have a complete understanding of 'British heritage' to know, by your own admission, that you are fanny-less, and BTW, by definition, one can not "go bugger yourself," unless, of course, you were to apply the modern use of the term, as Chef Ramsey, of English origins, does so frequently.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

You don't have a complete understanding of 'British heritage' to know, by your own admission, that you are fanny-less, and BTW, by definition, one can not "go bugger yourself," unless, of course, you were to apply the modern use of the term, as Chef Ramsey, of English origins, does so frequently.

Unfortunately, I don't have an English fanny anymore (but I would not mind occasional access to one).
As for you buggering yourself; I've never met Chef Ramsey (though perhaps you would prefer that he bugger you instead). I use the term in the same way that one version of 'sod off' would be used, which is the same way that it has been used in the pubs during my hunts for pints. I am guessing that you are long enough in talent to be able to bugger yourself, as you certainly seem well buggered to me.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

You don't have a complete understanding of 'British heritage' to know, by your own admission, that you are fanny-less, and BTW, by definition, one can not "go bugger yourself," unless, of course, you were to apply the modern use of the term, as Chef Ramsey, of English origins, does so frequently.

J.T. Toad - I would like to extend the appreciation of all those in Club Cobra for your thoughtful and insightful responses to VRM (Steve) - finally, someone has got under his skin and like any liberal, he just cannot stand it, he cannot handle the truth. Hopefully, Steve will seek out professional help, possibly after the election if his boy Ron Paul doesn't win. Too bad, Sigmund Freud isn't alive, VRM (Steve) would provide a long term patient for him to sort through. Unfortunately, all of us are ending up attempting remediation therapy with you providing the best treatment for this lost soul. Keep up the good work - VRM (Steve) just may be worth saving from himself.