California Ghey Marriage

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by VRM

Don't lump me in with them! I'm only going to their hell because I've been told to by enough of them!
I was baptised Mormon - another silly religion - South Park nailed it perfectly. Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum.

Mormon? I know lots of Mormons...what happened to you?

Honestly...I come from the oldest and most conservative of Christian faiths (Armenian Apostolic), I am a staunch conservative Republican (I put my money where my mouth is), I don't believe in abortions nor do I think the sexual practices of gays are asspecially appealing (though I will sit mesmirized watching two beautiful ladies enjoying each other's company...but heh, that's art), and I certainly do believe in our right to attack and blow the hell out of any country that we feel like...

...but for crying out loud, why do we continue to tell each other what to do and how to live based upon our own biases? Socrates and the rest of the boys were all messing with each other, and yet we glorify them for creating our Western Culture.

That being said...Barney Frank is a cawksucker.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Mormon? I know lots of Mormons...what happened to you?

Honestly...I come from the oldest and most conservative of Christian faiths (Armenian Apostolic), I am a staunch conservative Republican (I put my money where my mouth is), I don't believe in abortions nor do I think the sexual practices of gays are asspecially appealing (though I will sit mesmirized watching two beautiful ladies enjoying each other's company...but heh, that's art), and I certainly do believe in our right to attack and blow the hell out of any country that we feel like...

...but for crying out loud, why do we continue to tell each other what to do and how to live based upon our own biases? Socrates and the rest of the boys were all messing with each other, and yet we glorify them for creating our Western Culture.

That being said...Barney Frank is a cawksucker.

My dad smoked when I was a kid (he was not Mormon - my mum was), and I hated it. Some of the church elders also smoked, and I hated that, too. They preached no smoking and no drinking - yet here they were... Bloody hypocrites...I was baptised at 8 and by age 10 or 11 I was done with it and told my mum that if she forced me to go I would scream during the entire service.

Yep, Frank is a cawksuckah (my feeble attempt at a Southie accent), and kind of an idiot too.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by VRM

Don't lump me in with them! I'm only going to their hell because I've been told to by enough of them!
I was baptised Mormon - another silly religion - South Park nailed it perfectly. Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum.

I believe that on South Park, it was revealed that the Mormon religion was the single correct religion for getting into heaven. Of course they don't depict Hell as looking as all that bad and one of Satan's boyfriends is Sadam...

[CobraEd]

Can I recant this whole thread. I only had a simple question from a legal perspective.


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[VRM]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

Can I recant this whole thread. I only had a simple question from a legal perspective.


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Oh, cmon! This is fun! Besides - it's actually pretty civil.

My system just finished the automatic stuff I was monitoring so I actually have to go do some work now.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

Can I recant this whole thread. I only had a simple question from a legal perspective.


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That sounds like you only wanted to see what it tasted like.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

Can I recant this whole thread. I only had a simple question from a legal perspective.


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I don't think it's possible to use the term simple and legal in the same sentence.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I believe that on South Park, it was revealed that the Mormon religion was the single correct religion for getting into heaven. Of course they don't depict Hell as looking as all that bad and one of Satan's boyfriends is Sadam...

Hmmm - the episode I saw had Joseph Smith writing tablets in his attic and then saying they were given to him by god. People would ask to see them and he would say that they were only visible to the true believers. Or something like that. I was laughing my ass off!

[J. T. Toad]

I don't like the government legislating morality at all.

The problem is that history has shown the degradation of morality in society by such inclusive justification of specific acts will ultimately lead to societie's downfall.

[Jamo]

J.T....could you please help me understand what the relevance of the state law prohibiting certain acts of sodomy is to Jerry Lee Lewis' situation?

The Family Law Code provisions relating to domestic partnerships don't regulate certain business practices regulated by federal law.

I would need to enlist both roscoe and CDC to help me cut/paste treatises to fully assplain why a marriage license occupies a higher level of legal significance than a domestic partnership license.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by Jamo

J.T....could you please help me understand what the relevance of the state law prohibiting certain acts of sodomy is to Jerry Lee Lewis' situation?

The Family Law Code provisions relating to domestic partnerships don't regulate certain business practices regulated by federal law.

I would need to enlist both roscoe and CDC to help me cut/paste treatises to fully assplain why a marriage license occupies a higher level of legal significance than a domestic partnership license.

Did I make that connection?
If your question is from the statement
"Jerry Lee Lewis was considered a pedophile, and his "wife" was fine with it, that's consent."

That was in response to VRM's statement

"Polygamy is not between two consenting adults, neither is pedophilism."

I probably should have addressed it as a question in response.


Then shouldn't the argument be taken on the federal level?

[J. T. Toad]

If this were to continue, wouldn't 501(c)3 churches be held discriminatory for not performing a homosexual marriage?

[Jamo]

JT...just based on the order of your posts...assumed you were still talking about Lewis since you were asking about consent.

Federal level? Might get there someday (like abortion), but doubtful given each state's inherent right to regulate marriage and how it affects side issues such as family law matters, divorces, liability, etc. It's not really a "life or death" question.

[BeanCounter]

Steve,

I lived in Salt Lake valley for three years in a little town named Bluffdale. I was the only non-Mormon in the neighborhood. Like every religion there were different subsets from "jack Mormons" to polygamists. The guy who lived across the canal from me was a polygamist with three wives. His house was basically a communal center portion with three attached wings. All three of his marriages were between two consenting adults. All of the wives were very happy as were the children. A little old fashioned but very nice people, nicer than some of Catholics I grew up with. I see absolutely nothing wrong with their marriages especially if they're going to allow gay marriage. How you can look on it any other way is beyong me. Now interspecies marriages might just be going too far.

[VRM]

Bernie,
I could really care less what they do, and I hope they are happy. What they do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business.
My only issue with polygamy is the financial aspect of it, though I'm sure there are other legal issues such as a spouse determining whether or not to pull the plug. What do you do if one spouse wants one thing and the other does not?

Steve

[Tommy]

Steve,

A person can enter into three different legal partnerships with three different people. If it turns out that doing the right thing in one partnership puts pressure on another partnership, that's life. If one of the partnerships goes sour and ends up in court for settlement, that's not unusual. If government would get out of the business of defining marriage and let each pair of adults define their relationship and legal entanglement as they choose, we would be much better off. .... When I grew up in the deep south, the Christian majority considered it immoral to operate a business on Sunday, so there were Blue Laws that prohibited businesses from opeing on Sunday. It didn't matter that some business owners and customers were not Christians and didn't consider opening on Sunday to be immoral. I have no problem with laws that exist to protect public safety, but I don't like laws that attempt to impose the majority's moral standards just because they are the majority.

[VRM]

Tommy,
I don't like government being involved either. But they are, and I don't really see any way for them to get out of it.
One of the problems I see would be a Terry Shiavo type case (another waste of government money and time) where one spouse wants to pull the life support plug and the other does not. You can't even do a King Solomon solution because one of them is trying for that result.

Steve

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by VRM

.... You can't even do a King David solution ...

...King Solomon?

[Tommy]

Here are three examples of the "husband on life support" situation and each has a reasonable solution if government allows the people to define their legal relationship.

Example 1: Man signs agreement with Wife One giving her legal power over his care if he is incapacitated. His agreements with Wife Two and Wife Three do not give them that power.

Example 2: Man signs agreements with all three wives giving them joint power to decide his care if he is incapacitated. Best two out of three wives decides.

Example 3: Man signs agreements with all three wives giving each power over his care if incapacitated, but foolishly does not specify how to resolve disagreements. In case of a dispute a court would decide whether the first or last agreement superceded the others, or whether the majority would decide. It would not be unlike a case where an ailing father has no wife but has two children who disagree on his care. As long as the legislative and executive branches don't inject themselves into the situation for political reasons, the problem is resolved.

[Jamo]

What do you have against sheep?