California Ghey Marriage

[SP01715]

Being a California resident I voted for prop 8 which would ban gay marriage. If you look at it by county the support for prop 8 outside liberal Los Angeles and San Francisco was fairly strong. That said, we have voted for a lot of things in the past that the court has overturned. This proposition though was a result of the California Supreme Court ruling 6 months ago that made gay marriage legal. Seems like a vicious circle. The ACLU has already filed a lawsuit so the fight is not over.

[1ntCobra]

Hmm, some group in California puts something to a vote that essentially discriminates against a minority group and you think that is going to hold up?

My marriage is inter-racial. I bet if that came up as an item to vote on back in the 1950's the vote could have outlawed that as well.

The people who voted for this sort of stuff are actually fighting to limit the personal freedoms of others. That seems downright unpatriotic it me.

These people need to complain to the heads of their religions about disallowing gay marriage, not to the government. We have separation of Church and State here, unlike say some of those Middle Eastern countries.

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Hmm, some group in California puts something to a vote that essentially discriminates against a minority group and you think that is going to hold up?

My marriage is inter-racial. I bet if that came up as an item to vote on back in the 1950's the vote could have outlawed that as well.

The people who voted for this sort of stuff are actually fighting to limit the personal freedoms of others. That seems downright unpatriotic it me.

These people need to complain to the heads of their religions about disallowing gay marriage, not to the government. We have separation of Church and State here, unlike say some of those Middle Eastern countries.

My marriage is also interracial and I feel the same way as you. I also see it as limiting others personal freedoms, and agree that it is a religious issue, not a State issue. Unfortunately MOST of our laws are based on religion so there is not nor has there ever been a complete separation of Church and State. People have made the laws as they feel they should be, and a majority of those people believed it should be as the Church said. They actually believe they are helping by forcing it. By making it against the law, if you follow the law, you will get into heaven. Others just feel they know best and want to run your life. Here I cannot buy beer on Sunday before 1 PM. No liquor at all on Sunday. Why Sunday and not Monday? Only reason would be a religious one (You should be in church instead of drinking). Used to be against the law for a car dealership to be open on Sunday. When enough people complained about it, it was changed to they must be closed 1 weekend day or pay a fine. Some choose to pay the fine to be open as they sell enough cars to cover it and still make a profit.

[J. T. Toad]

Shouldn't polygamy be legal then?

What about pedophilism?

Why legislate morality at all?

Have their "rights" actually been hindered without the "certificate" of marriage?

Personally, I can't understand why they would want the extra tax burden unless they solely want to subvert the religious beliefs in marriage in the first place.

It's a semantic argument which has dire legal consequences. It'll be overturned just for the way the prop. was written. My apologies to Jamo.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Shouldn't polygamy be legal then?

What about pedophilism?

Why legislate morality at all?

Have their "rights" actually been hindered without the "certificate" of marriage?

Personally, I can't understand why they would want the extra tax burden unless they solely want to subvert the religious beliefs in marriage in the first place.

It's a semantic argument which has dire legal consequences. It'll be overturned just for the way the prop. was written. My apologies to Jamo.

Polygamy is not between two consenting adults, neither is pedophilism. For legal issues 7 spouses on a health plan are not the same as 1 spouse on a health plan. Laws against pedophiles protect our young. Religion has is not the primary concern with either of those.

Whose morality do you legislate? You don't want mine and I don't want yours. We are better off with legislation that keeps people from harming each other, and provides penalties for when they do.

Gays who cannot get a marriage certificate are not viewed equally under the law as somebody who can. There are plenty of benefits to having a marriage certificate that have nothing to do with religion.

Somebody asked before when this topic came up a couple of years ago about why a church should be forced to perform a marriage ceremony for gays in MA. Actually, they are not. Churches are private entities that are still free to have their own rules about who they will marry and who they will not. A JP, however, will issue a legal marriage certificate to any two people who meet all the legal criteria. One of my best friends was given a JP licence for one day to perform the ceremony for my wife and I. Neither of us is religious (my friend is Jewish, but he did not perform a Jewish ceremony).

So what harm does gay marriage cause?

Steve

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

Polygamy is not between two consenting adults, neither is pedophilism.

So what harm does gay marriage cause?

Steve

Wasn't there a recent federal case regarding polygamy? oh yeah, none of the women weren't consenting.

you can buy clothes and help their cause.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374001,00.html

Jerry Lee Lewis was considered a pedophile, and his "wife" was fine with it, that's consent.

Considering the legal protections of "domestic partnerships" what good does having a piece of paper which says "marriage certificate"?

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Wasn't there a recent federal case regarding polygamy? oh yeah, none of the women weren't consenting.

you can buy clothes and help their cause.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374001,00.html

Jerry Lee Lewis was considered a pedophile, and his "wife" was fine with it, that's consent.

Considering the legal protections of "domestic partnerships" what good does having a piece of paper which says "marriage certificate"?

Wasn't "consent" under the law.

Go back and read what a "marriage certificate" provides...government, business, credit, etc.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Wasn't there a recent federal case regarding polygamy? oh yeah, none of the women weren't consenting.

you can buy clothes and help their cause.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374001,00.html

Jerry Lee Lewis was considered a pedophile, and his "wife" was fine with it, that's consent.

Considering the legal protections of "domestic partnerships" what good does having a piece of paper which says "marriage certificate"?

Those polygamists were not legal. You used a double negative
(none of the women weren't consenting.), and I'm thinking it came out the way you intended (that the women were consenting). Please correct me if I am wrong. The women may have consented, but that does not change their legal status (minors - which negates any consent anyways, and polygamy - consent is irrelevant.)

If someone is not old enough then there is no consent, so it does not matter what jerry Lee Lewis' wife says.. I'm going by MA laws as I have read a bunch of those before. Jamo, feel free to correct me if I go off base (but please explain why cause I find a lot of this stuff fascinating and I like the details).

Go back and re-read Jamos mention of insurance policies and such that specifically say 'marriage'. Car rental agencies, credit cards, hospitals might not recognise a civil union as having the same rights as a marriage certificate would give.

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[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Shouldn't polygamy be legal then?

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Well it is accepted by some religions and governments. I not interested, one wife is enough for me.