California Ghey Marriage

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

Wasn't there a recent federal case regarding polygamy? oh yeah, none of the women weren't consenting.

you can buy clothes and help their cause.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374001,00.html

Jerry Lee Lewis was considered a pedophile, and his "wife" was fine with it, that's consent.

Considering the legal protections of "domestic partnerships" what good does having a piece of paper which says "marriage certificate"?

Those polygamists were not legal. You used a double negative
(none of the women weren't consenting.), and I'm thinking it came out the way you intended (that the women were consenting). Please correct me if I am wrong. The women may have consented, but that does not change their legal status (minors - which negates any consent anyways, and polygamy - consent is irrelevant.)

If someone is not old enough then there is no consent, so it does not matter what jerry Lee Lewis' wife says.. I'm going by MA laws as I have read a bunch of those before. Jamo, feel free to correct me if I go off base (but please explain why cause I find a lot of this stuff fascinating and I like the details).

Go back and re-read Jamos mention of insurance policies and such that specifically say 'marriage'. Car rental agencies, credit cards, hospitals might not recognise a civil union as having the same rights as a marriage certificate would give.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

Those polygamists were not legal. You used a double negative


Go back and re-read Jamos mention of insurance policies and such that specifically say 'marriage'. Car rental agencies, credit cards, hospitals might not recognise a civil union as having the same rights as a marriage certificate would give.

it was deliberate. thus the (Roll Eyes (SARCASTIC)) not all were minors.:ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes:

Go back and read about protections under the law for domestic partnerships. Then they should take issue with those industries which have discriminated against them, as it is not the government.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

it was deliberate. thus the (Roll Eyes (SARCASTIC)) not all were minors.:ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes::ro lleyes:

Go back and read about protections under the law for domestic partnerships. Then they should take issue with those industries which have discriminated against them, as it is not the government.

I don't understand what you are getting at. If you were being sarcastic about them then why bother to bring it up at all as it does nothing for your argument. Polygamy is illegal for it's own reasons, and really has nothing to do with gay marriage. Why do you think it does?

Those protections are good in some cases, but there is also the emotional attachment to marriage. Why deny them that (a lot of gay people seem to be a bit more emotional than average anyway, so let 'em be happy until they find out what divorce is like)

Who does it harm, and how does it harm them if gays are allowed to marry.?

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

I don't understand what you are getting at. If you were being sarcastic about them then why bother to bring it up at all as it does nothing for your argument. Polygamy is illegal for it's own reasons, and really has nothing to do with gay marriage. Why do you think it does?

Those protections are good in some cases, but there is also the emotional attachment to marriage. Why deny them that (a lot of gay people seem to be a bit more emotional than average anyway, so let 'em be happy until they find out what divorce is like)

Who does it harm, and how does it harm them if gays are allowed to marry.?

I wasn't being sarcastic about "them" I was being sarcastic to your claim that

"Polygamy is not between two consenting adults"

when that is false.

Now we'll end up in a discussion of what the definition of is is... oh wait, what consent is.

What reasons do you have to determine the difference between polygamy and homosexual marriage?

to answer your question, see my response on the historical degradation of society.

[CobraEd]

My 2 cents on this:


What we are all struggling with here is as old as humanity itself.

It is the personal struggle between what we as a race of human beings intrinsically hold as "good" and "moral" and "ethical" and "right", . . . . . balanced against "self rightousness" and "intolerance" and "lack of unconditional love for our fellow human being"

This struggle is held both at a personal level within each of us as well as at a social level among all of us collectively.

We will NEVER figure it out. It has gone on from the time the first person became self aware and will continue until we all meet our maker. Maybe we are not supposed to figure it out. Maybe the journey and the effort in itself is the value!!!!


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[Jamo]

Well said, Ed

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

I wasn't being sarcastic about "them" I was being sarcastic to your claim that

"Polygamy is not between two consenting adults"

when that is false.

"Polygamy is not between two consenting adults"

Polygamy is between three or more people, consenting or otherwise, thus making my statement true.

[CobraEd]

Thanks Jamo. I appreciate that coming from you!


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[VRM]

I have a few legal fringe groups:
Swingers (until they charge admission)
the KKK.
Satanists