Where do the libs hangout?

[bomelia]

Its easy to find the conservatives. They hang out at Free Republic, Hannity, etc. And so do many trouble making liberals. I want to infiltrate lib sites (like they do to conservatives). Democraticunderground.com is so screwed up in its organization since it forces you to talk ONLY with locals (in your geographic location). Moveon.org??

Mike

[cobra bill]

You could try listening to Air America radio, they don't mind conservatives getting on, there are only 68 stations that carry it, not like rightwing radio, they have over 1000 stations broadcasting there crap! i.e. druggy Limbaugh. You can get on using your computer if there's not a local radio station near you, That's how I listen to it.

[bomelia]

Why the he!! would I wann listen to that crap? I get fed that BS from TV and newspapers everyday. I wanna interact with the loons.

Mike

[cobra bill]

Well its talk radio.

[bomelia]

Oh... got it. I don't call radio. But I would not mind hearing how conservatives handled on lib air.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Oh... got it. I don't call radio. But I would not mind hearing how conservatives handled on lib air.

They hang at democratunderground.com and dailykos.com.

[wtm442]

Must liberals just talk to themselves. That way, they never lose an argument.

[fasterpatrick]

I'd like to see them hanging out in about ten thousand feet of water, under it. Them bums are trying to steal a Senate seat for some clown. The bum in charge of the recount is a flaming lib. It's torches and pitchforks time gang. I've blocked all network news from my TV, I can't afford buying new ones every other day they keep suffering brick-itess.
Pat

[VRM]

Thomas Jefferson was a liberal.

[bomelia]

Nobody in Jefferson's time was a liberal as liberal is defined today.

Has anybody ever thought about the real reason why our tax code will never change to a flat tax or "fair tax?" Pols would not have a way to manipulate the electorate without our current system.

Mike

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Nobody in Jefferson's time was a liberal as liberal is defined today.

Has anybody ever thought about the real reason why our tax code will never change to a flat tax or "fair tax?" Pols would not have a way to manipulate the electorate without our current system.

Mike

That's true, but there are liberals today who still agree with what the liberals in Jeffersons time thought. I suspect that Clay is one of them, and I am probably not that far off myself.

I kind of liked the tax plan I had under the what we would do as Prez thread. You get taxed on the value of what you buy, and big items like property, cars, and so on would be taxed annually.

[jhv48]

They're all in Washington DC. And most recently in the White House!

[clayfoushee]

Originally Posted by VRM

That's true, but there are liberals today who still agree with what the liberals in Jeffersons time thought. I suspect that Clay is one of them, and I am probably not that far off myself.

Yep, but personally, I think the labels have become pretty meaningless. They always have been. Exhibit A would be a "conservative," currently-sitting President, who has recently checked all the boxes to qualify as a card-carrying, "big government liberal."

Political campaigns are about idealism and what a candidate would like to accomplish in an ideal world. That idealism is necessary to motivate people to become involved.

However, after assuming an office, reality is reality, and campaign positions must be modified, unless the the office holder is in denial and/or not very smart. In a dramatically changing world, where there is no handbook or known recipe to fix a multi-generational set of problems, the silly labels of the past make no sense.

I'd wear the Jeffersonian definition of liberal as a badge of honor. Jefferson would likely have been the first to recognize those realities, and his own positions changed significantly over time. The literal definition "liberal" means being able to react to changing times and a willingness to change or reform. By definition, conservative means slowness or resistance to change, and clinging to what might have worked in the past. Thanks for the compliment.

[imagine2frolic]

Okay then......he was a radical

[Jamo]

Thanks Fred...also an a$$hole to work with according to other Convention delegates.

[bomelia]

You have been missed Fred.

Mike

[cobra de capell]

The bottomline, now we are all screwed.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

The bottomline, now we are all screwed.

We have been for awhile.