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View Poll Results: Should US Taxpayers Bail Out the Big Three Automakers?
YES 45 18.83%
NO 194 81.17%
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:51 PM
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Smile No bail out!

The bailout is reward to all the CEO's or corporate leaders for running their organization into the ground, and taking every American taxpayer with them. This free meal ticket will open the floodgates for every large company on the verge of bankruptcy, to waste what assets they have remaining.

Can we all get loans and buy multiple Cobras? One for each season would be nice. Can I combine my last two cents with my neighbor's nickel and buy a foreclosure home? Let us get real; we (the taxpayers) are running out of money to give our government to loan out!

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Sparks .... bitter ? No ... disillusioned , experienced , but like you , also tired of all the BS . However , when I made the comments about the unions , it`s all from first hand experience over the years .
I was involved on a project with a major Railroad to work on a hydraulic hopper car riveter . Riveting the stakes on the sides was a dirty and dangerous job that took 5 people 15 to 17 minutes/side .... riveter , bucker , catcher , pitcher and helper . Done hydraulically , it would be faster and a lot safer .... but the Unions fought us all the way .... and no one was going to be let go .
Another example ... same Railroad ... took three trades and 45 minutes to check the fluid level in a reservoir .... come on .
I also worked on vacuum arc furnaces in the steel industry . Spent a week at Wyman Gordon in Worster , MA on a startup that should have taken two days as I wasn`t allowed to touch anything on the equipment that I designed . I had to stand there and show a Union man everything single thing and pray it was done right .... and this guy made three times my salary ! But what did I know ... I was just a Southern boy .
Did a start up on a Plasma arc torch in Mountain View , CA ... all non union and was out of there in three days after arc strike on the second day . Same thing at another company in Albany , OR on a Titanium furnace except that we spent on day on the river
I remember working with a company that manufactured track maintenance equipment for the RR and seeing a piece of equipment sent to Conrail that showed in the photo about 18 men working it . Only problem was that it was designed to work with 10 to 12 .... but Union rules added the rest .
I have many other first hand examples .... but I`ll also agree that everyone`s hands are dirty . However the time has come to draw a line and stop rewarding poor performance , no matter from who .
A good post from RogerH on the Ford plant in South America ... and even more telling was the comment that the UAW would not allow a plant like that to be built in this Country . Really sad .
I`ve also spent some time in the Japanese auto plants and the big difference I see is that Management and the workers mostly work together and aren`t antagonists .
No offense intended , but maybe that`s why the South is on the way to becoming the new Detroit?
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