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[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

If they want freedom they have to earn it themselves. We cannot give it to them and expect them to know what to do with it.

We didn't give them freedom - we gave them an opportunity. If they don't want freedom, well then, they certainly will be in "control" of that. Of course, it's always prudent to disregard situations one doesn't understand....rather than make allowances and directed efforts to comprehend.

With regard to earning it - no problem. We've not annexed them - who the h*ll wants them, anyway? Likely we're all looking forward to the day when they don't require constant observation due to their instability. Absent that, it's moronic - on anybody's part - to expect we would turn our back to them.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

We didn't give them freedom - we gave them an opportunity. If they don't want freedom, well then, they certainly will be in "control" of that. Of course, it's always prudent to disregard situations one doesn't understand....rather than make allowances and directed efforts to comprehend.

With regard to earning it - no problem. We've not annexed them - who the h*ll wants them, anyway? Likely we're all looking forward to the day when they don't require constant observation due to their instability. Absent that, it's moronic - on anybody's part - to expect we would turn our back to them.

Gave who an opportunity? Revolutions happen because one group is strong enough to take power from another. There was no dominant force inside Iraq that could take power from Husseins government, and none are strong enough to hold it on their own. And the chance is high that whatever government does finally manage to take over will have stronger ties to Iran than us. Sometimes the enemy you know is better than the one you don't...

[CobraEd]

So, the bottoms of shoes are unclean, duh. But they live every day in total squallor and eat with their hands. Go figure.


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[turnpike boy]

Revolutions happen when the oppressed party has, quite frankly, had enough. Enough being their perspective and determination. And power to commit that revolution is always available, to anyone. Price tag attached. How the downstream is managed is a whole 'nother matter.

IF they want freedom, they'll have it. IF they want democracy, they'll have it. IF they want autocracy, they'll have it. IF they want instability, and outside intervention, and malcontent, and constant strife, they'll have it, and largely because they do not make the commitment obligatory to ensuring those conditions are controlled. Real change just don't come cheap or easy.

IF they're truly stupid enough to feel Iran is their future, well, then..... it is likely we'll be watching the region for a long time to come. And Iran is hardly an unknown. But so far they've made it pretty clear they want none of Iran.

[LudicrousSpeed]

Any advancements the Islamic community had to offer in the way of art, science or culture has been obliterated by the religious extremists.

I look forward to the day when the world can go back to totally disregarding those turds.

If it wasnt for all that oil under their litter-box of a country, they'd just be another Rwanda.

Question: Where was the secret service in all this? That dude shoulda been choking on his own teeth/blood before the first shoe hit the ground.