Conservatives = Protectors of the Republic?

[LudicrousSpeed]

I was having an interesting conversation with my wife just now...

Our next door neighbor's daughter is attractive/young/single/with child (4 year old). My wife had suggested I ask a young single Officer I work with if he'd be interested in a setup. Young Officer is a very nice, soft-spoken, attractive, well educated guy making good $$$ (likes country music but wont hold that against him).

Wife said today not to bother asking. Wife talked with neighbor, said daughter wasnt interested. Seems she, and her mom/ our neighbor, are Liberal, and do not like Military / Law Enforcement types. Says they are too "pushy", or something of that nature.

Got me thinking...

It seems to me the Law enforcement business is dominated by the conservative type. I can only think of two Officers (out of 50+) in our office who are Liberal. In my experience a Liberal Officer is a rare bird. Same with my military experience. It seemed like the majority of the command structure, the 'career soldier' was conservative. The enlisted ranks tended to be a little closer, but still about 60/40 conservative in my estimation.

Now this young single girl is very well educated (working on her MBA), but her taste in men would tend to be at odds with that. The daddy of her child has fried his brain on drugs, but still has visitation rights. Her step-dad is conservative/career military and has tried to set her up with several Pilot types, but she wants nothing to do with them.

I got to thinking that
1. Conservatives tend to do the majority of the heavy lifting when it comes to serving & protecting this fine country.
2. The two fields fairly dominated by the conservative types are also two of the best places to look for examples of America's best & brightest.
3. The one field that I could think of that was truly dominated by the Liberal type, the Entertainment Industry, is rotten with excellent examples of Idiocy, failed marriage & drug use.
4. Liberals REALLY dont like the clean-cut, responsible type.

Hmmmm...

Interested in your opinions...

[RAZOR]

Liberals, dominate news media, and education also, both of which have reached new lows. So your neighbor decides before she meets the guy, my that is really open minded isn't it, and they say conservatives are the close minded ones.

[427 S/O]

That's interesting, curious if it has anything to do with liberals 'anything goes' mentality.

[Wes Tausend]

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...It seems to me the Law enforcement business is dominated by the conservative type...

...I got to thinking that
1. Conservatives tend to do the majority of the heavy lifting when it comes to serving & protecting this fine country.
2. The two fields fairly dominated by the conservative types are also two of the best places to look for examples of America's...

I think it's true to an extent. Even in the beginning of this country, strict conservatives (Tories) wished to conserve the status quo and protect the rights of the Royalty.

I think typical career military/law enforcement type tend to be Conservative he-man dominate types, Alpha personality perhaps.

Dedicated Conservatives more strongly believe in conformity and will attempt to exert others to also conform. They love uniforms. I think it is born out of a strong innate sense of social structure where there is the leader of the pack and subordinates. As a result Conservatives make good leaders. Full blown Conservatives don't make good scientists because they have more difficulty thinking outside the box; ie non-conformist thinking. Maybe even a right-brain/left-brain phenomena, concerning the contrast with liberal thinking.

From the neighbor ladies standpoint, the military/law enforcement type don't always make good husbands and a larger percentage are likely to be abusive. Women prefer to breed with he-men(love uniforms); but they prefer to live and marry helpful, "we're equal", sissies to raise their young. That's likely her current mentality. Her druggy boyfriend could have even been a severe right winger like Rush and, if she's more like Hillary than Laura, she's openly had enough. Liberal women are disobedient.

IMO overall, most people are a mixture of Liberal/Conservative, or middling moderate/progressive personality types, even if they claim they are either left or the right.
Know thyself.

Wes


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[chopper]

This soldier looks at the subject from a slightly different perspective. You may find it interesting.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/btw2004...0726sheep.html

[VRM]

Chopper,
I always enjoy reading that - thanks for the post.

It is a bit simplistic though, and certainly leaves out another major actor in the play; the shepherd.
The shepherd: provides training and food for the sheepdogs, assists them by building structures for added protection, cares for wounded/sick sheepdogs and sheep, harvests and sells/uses the products that the sheep provide.
The shepherd is not an efficient fighter like the sheepdog, but is not helpless like the sheep. The shepherd also has the responsibility to know when to move the flock if there are too many wolves or not enough grazing in the area.

Without sheepdogs the wolves would eat the sheep (and maybe the shepherd too).
Without sheep the shepherd would not be able to feed the himself or the sheepdogs.
Without the shepherd the sheepdogs would be just dogs, and the sheep would be tasty treats for dog and wolves.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by LudicrousSpeed

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The woman that you have in mind for your officer friend would probably make for a great date, perhaps a few weeks worth, but a true liberal would drive him up the wall in short order.

Liberal Theory
Simply stated, the theory asserts that liberals are persons who lack the gene that allows humans to mentally process reality. Until the exact gene is located, it will remain a theory. However, until then, much empirical evidence of the liberals’ inability to process reality exists to support the theories premise.

Lenin accurately defined liberals as “useful idiots.” Today, America’s useful idiots are proving useful in bringing harm to America from within as well as from without.

Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

However, until then, much empirical evidence of the liberals’ inability to process reality exists to support the theories premise.

You mean like Jefferson and Franklin?

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by VRM

You mean like Jefferson and Franklin?

Where do you find that Jefferson was a liberal?

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Where do you find that Jefferson was a liberal?

Shucks. He must have been. He hosed the help.

Wes


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[VRM]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

Where do you find that Jefferson was a liberal?

He was a Classical Liberal. Very different from the Kennedys and Pelosis (sounds like a disease!) running around today. There is a HUGE difference between classical liberals and neo-liberals, just like with classical conservatives and neo-cons.. Today Jefferson would probably be considered a Libertarian.

Steve

[imagine2frolic]

Originally Posted by VRM

You mean like Jefferson and Franklin?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I used that a couple of times, and it really does rub some the wrong way. Of course for some the thruth hurts.....i2f

[VRM]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I used that a couple of times, and it really does rub some the wrong way. Of course for some the thruth hurts.....i2f

Lets see how long it takes for CdC to make some remark about Jefferson...He is such a history buff...he attributes quotes to Ulyanov that were never made and thinks all the original Cobras were built in the US!

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I used that a couple of times, and it really does rub some the wrong way. Of course for some the thruth hurts.....i2f

So far I have heard rhetoric and opinion but nothing to prove the statement. Perhaps you can add some substance?

[cobra bill]

The Founding Fathers, including Jefferson, were extremely liberal for the time period they lived in. The idea of a government by the people for the people, even if at the time they only considered white men the people, was very revolutionary in the late 1700' early 1800's. The Bill of Rights, which Thomas Jefferson demanded be included in the Constitution is a very liberal concept, even by today's standards. Part of the problem here is that many Conservatives and Liberals today do not understand what those titles actually mean or represent. Liberals and Conservatives have latched on to particular parts of the constitution which they approve of and conveinently ignore the parts they don't like. Neither the far right or far left really support the concept of individual liberty anymore, which was the basis of our Constitution. By definition the U.S. is meant to be a liberal democracry, meaning a representational government chosen by the people for the purpose of safeguarding the individual liberty of the citizens of the United States. Neither the so called Conservatives or so called Liberals truly support this concept. They just have different opinions about which liberties they want to eliminate.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

So far I have heard rhetoric and opinion but nothing to prove the statement. Perhaps you can add some substance?

Here ya go...

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
Specifically sections 2.1 and 2.2. The rest is worth reading as well.

Here is the easier version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

There are also a number of books on the subject - feel free to search around.

Steve

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

The Founding Fathers, including Jefferson, were extremely liberal for the time period they lived in. The idea of a government by the people for the people, even if at the time they only considered white men the people, was very revolutionary in the late 1700' early 1800's. The Bill of Rights, which Thomas Jefferson demanded be included in the Constitution is a very liberal concept, even by today's standards. Part of the problem here is that many Conservatives and Liberals today do not understand what those titles actually mean or represent. Liberals and Conservatives have latched on to particular parts of the constitution which they approve of and conveinently ignore the parts they don't like. Neither the far right or far left really support the concept of individual liberty anymore, which was the basis of our Constitution. By definition the U.S. is meant to be a liberal democracry, meaning a representational government chosen by the people for the purpose of safeguarding the individual liberty of the citizens of the United States. Neither the so called Conservatives or so called Liberals truly support this concept. They just have different opinions about which liberties they want to eliminate.

I agree with some of your points but,I disagree our form of government is a, Constitutional Republic,, not a liberal democracy. How would Jefferson compare to today's politician, He was against strong federal government,and for local government he was for freedom of religion, not freedom from religion as the ACLU and others twist history to fit their beliefs. These positions put him in the conservative camp.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by VRM

Here ya go...

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
Specifically sections 2.1 and 2.2. The rest is worth reading as well.

Here is the easier version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

There are also a number of books on the subject - feel free to search around.

Steve

Steve, good information , I am on my way to doctors. Can't go in depth, but "limited government" is now in the Conservative camp.

[imagine2frolic]

Just the fact he helped the move away from England made him a radical, and liberal. Otherwise he wouold have moved to the Bahamas with the rest of the loyal clan to the crown.......i2f

[cobra bill]

Razor, I'm afraid you are mistaken about Jefferson's point of view on religion, I could show you the writings given by all the founding fathers on this subject all be it lengthy it is a good read. Here is the part on Jefferson, as to his feelings about religion.

Thomas Jefferson

Even most Christians do not consider Jefferson a Christian. In many of his letters, he denounced the superstitions of Christianity. He did not believe in spiritual souls, angels or godly miracles. Although Jefferson did admire the morality of Jesus, Jefferson did not think him divine, nor did he believe in the Trinity or the miracles of Jesus. In a letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787, he wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god."

Jefferson believed in materialism, reason, and science. He never admitted to any religion but his own. In a letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, 25 June 1819, he wrote, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

As for the liberal democracy, I pulled that from the writings of our forefathers.