Hillery Now Sucking UP To Palestinians

Ron61 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 06:55 AM

First this Bit** gives the country away to China and now she is siding with the Palestinians. What next, a big state dinner at the White House for Osama Bin Laden? Dam, she is a disaster as bad as Queen Pelosi.

Ron

Silverback51 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron61

First this Bit** gives the country away to China and now she is siding with the Palestinians. What next, a big state dinner at the White House for Osama Bin Laden? Dam, she is a disaster as bad as Queen Pelosi.

Ron

Are you surprised by this Ron?

VRM · #3 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 07:36 AM

Ron,
I don't think we should be sucking up to Israel either. We gave Israel about $7M per day(!) in 2007 - time to let Israel stand on its own. They need to learn how to exist with their neighbours.

Steve

Ron61 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 08:11 AM

Steve,

I agree with that. But just who do you think keeps breaking every truce they sign? It is NOT Israel. This last one they hadn't even gotten all of their troops out of Gaza when the Palestinians started lobbing rockets into Israel. I will support Israel all the way until your group starts abiding by the rules they lay out and sign.

Ron

VRM · #5 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Ron,
The Palestinians have had their fishing boats illegally confined to 6 miles, and those fishing boats have been attacked by the Israeli navy, Israel has closed Gaza crossings, Israel has also not allowed aid supplies to enter the area. All of this violates the truces that are put into place. How long will you allow someone to shove you around before you take a swing at him?

The Israelis are just as responsible for the mess as the Palestinians.

SP01715 · #6 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 11:20 AM

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Ron,
I don't think we should be sucking up to Israel either. We gave Israel about $7M per day(!) in 2007 - time to let Israel stand on its own. They need to learn how to exist with their neighbours.

Steve

So you are going to equate the democracy that is Israel to the people that elected Hamas? Maybe Israel could "exist with their neighbors" if their neighbors stoped launching missiles into their country.

SP01715 · #7 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 11:24 AM

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Ron,
The Palestinians have had their fishing boats illegally confined to 6 miles, and those fishing boats have been attacked by the Israeli navy, Israel has closed Gaza crossings, Israel has also not allowed aid supplies to enter the area. All of this violates the truces that are put into place. How long will you allow someone to shove you around before you take a swing at him?

The Israelis are just as responsible for the mess as the Palestinians.

B.S. Israel has been fighting their muslim neighbors since 1948. The muslims that surround Israel will never be happy until Israel is pushed into the sea.

Ron61 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 11:45 AM

Steve,

Israel has closed Gaza crossings, Israel has also not allowed aid supplies to enter the area. All of this violates the truces that are put into place.

This was done AFTER the Palestinians started their dam rockets again which violated the truce and they did it before Israel blocked any crossings. And I think Israel handled it a lot better than I would have. Why don't you mention the fact that Israel dropped leaflets telling the civilians where they were going to bomb so they had time to get out of the way? The Palestinians sure as He** don't tell the Israelis where they are going to launch rockets at. And how many Israelis have walked into market places and blown themselves and dozens of shoppers up for the Almighty Palestinian Cause? This we can disagree on without ever settling anything as I do support Israel and would support the Palestinians having a place to live if they would honor the truces they themselves designed and agreed to.

Ron

VRM · #9 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 12:25 PM

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So you are going to equate the democracy that is Israel to the people that elected Hamas? Maybe Israel could "exist with their neighbors" if their neighbors stoped launching missiles into their country.

Hamas was elected because they also build hospitals and schools. And Palestinians are not all Muslims.

Those missiles get launched in retaliation for something. Which is done in retaliation for something else...ad infinitum. Both sides keep perpetuating this.

Ron,
No, those actions were done before the attacks, and the 6 mile limit imposed by Israel is in direct violation - Gazan fisherman are allowed to fish 20 miles out. These restrictions were imposed when Hamas won election.

How many Palestinian planes have dropped bombs on civilian houses, hospitals, or aid centres? Both sides fight with what they have to fight with. Israel has a lot more to fight with, and as a result they have killed 430 Palestinian kids in Gaza since December. Take a guess at how many Israeli kids have been killed since December. It is roughly the same number as Israeli suicide bombers and Palestinian jet bombers.

Steve

Ron61 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 12:49 PM

Steve,

This is a pointless argument between us. The Palestinians got what they deserve from my view point. As I said above, the Israelis dropped leaflets telling the population where and when they were going to bomb. You conveniently ignore this, and there have been Israelis killed since the so called truce. I won't let some disagreement like this come between us being able to disagree and still be friendly, so I will post no more in this thread. It is all yours.

Ron

SP01715 · #11 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 03:06 PM

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Hamas was elected because they also build hospitals and schools. And Palestinians are not all Muslims.

They build hospitals and schools to retain support with the people. There real goal is to control the people and destroy israel. They are trained and funded by Iran. I suppose you are going to say that Hamas is not a terror group?

BTW, Most palestinians are muslims.

Those missiles get launched in retaliation for something. Which is done in retaliation for something else...ad infinitum. Both sides keep perpetuating this.

Israel does not target civilians. Civialian casualties are going to happen in conflict, but Hamas targets Israeli civilians.

Ron,
No, those actions were done before the attacks, and the 6 mile limit imposed by Israel is in direct violation - Gazan fisherman are allowed to fish 20 miles out. These restrictions were imposed when Hamas won election.

How many Palestinian planes have dropped bombs on civilian houses, hospitals, or aid centres? Both sides fight with what they have to fight with. Israel has a lot more to fight with, and as a result they have killed 430 Palestinian kids in Gaza since December. Take a guess at how many Israeli kids have been killed since December. It is roughly the same number as Israeli suicide bombers and Palestinian jet bombers.

Steve

Again, Hamas targets civilians and the Israeli's do not. Funny how you liberals always seem to hate Israel. I served in both Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Have you spent anytime over there? These people do not have the same values as us. Liberals that think you can be nice and give in to their terror tactics for peace is mistaken. They percieve concessions as weakness. The only thing they understand is who has the biggest stick.

427 S/O · #12 (**permalink**) 03-03-2009, 03:08 PM

Ron, Jazziz will opposite all your positions.

Ronbo · #13 (**permalink**) 03-04-2009, 05:05 AM

Eh, throw a few mill at them to throw up some crackerbox dwellings, when the people move back in, kill the rest of them.

Mouse traps aren't free...

VRM · #14 (**permalink**) 03-04-2009, 08:16 AM

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Again, Hamas targets civilians and the Israeli's do not. Funny how you liberals always seem to hate Israel. I served in both Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Have you spent anytime over there? These people do not have the same values as us. Liberals that think you can be nice and give in to their terror tactics for peace is mistaken. They percieve concessions as weakness. The only thing they understand is who has the biggest stick.

Why do conservatives always make ASSumptions about things that they do not have all the information about?
I do not hate Israel. I just to do not want to keep paying for their defense. Israel was placed there by UN mandate, despite the fact that other people were already living there. Anybody who thought that there would not be repercussions to that is a fool. Would you just say it's OK if the UN decided to take a chunk of your neighbourhood so that there could be a Romani homeland?

The Arabs were promised that land in exchange for their assistance during WW1. They provided the assistance and got the job done, and they were promptly screwed out of what they were promised by the French and the Brits.

I also never said that Hamas are not terrorists - some of them are, but so are many Israelis. Go look up Baruch Goldstein - he actually had a shrine at his grave site that right-wing nutjob Israelis could visit. And who do you think blew up the King David Hotel, and who held a plane full of Syrian civilians hostage after Israeli soldiers were captured inside Syria?

I have had work assignments all over the world (I'm up to about 45 countries now), but I actually had to work with the locals instead of just pointing a gun at them. If you don't have a confrontational relationship with them you might find that Arabs are very hospitable, and also have very strong family ties. They also do not like being told what to do, but then who does?

SP01715 · #15 (**permalink**) 03-04-2009, 12:22 PM

I am done with your stupid liberal ASS!!! I was following along until you took a shot at the military with your "Pointing a gun at them" comment. Have a nice life jackass.

VRM · #16 (**permalink**) 03-04-2009, 03:05 PM

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I am done with your stupid liberal ASS!!! I was following along until you took a shot at the military with your "Pointing a gun at them" comment. Have a nice life jackass.

Carrying a weapon creates a completely different atmosphere than the one I worked in. Perhaps I should not have phrased it the way I did, but I have no interest in *****footing around with people who need to insult me or make assumptions about me. If you don't like assumptions made about you, then treat me the way you want me to treat you.

Jamo · #17 (**permalink**) 03-06-2009, 01:50 AM

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I am done with your stupid liberal ASS!!! I was following along until you took a shot at the military with your "Pointing a gun at them" comment. Have a nice life jackass.

Oh come on...you've got more you can heap on him don't you? Egg him on a bit so he'll trip up and say something even more irritating...then I can do a two-fer and give ya both a few days off.

SP01715 · #18 (**permalink**) 03-06-2009, 07:47 PM

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Oh come on...you've got more you can heap on him don't you? Egg him on a bit so he'll trip up and say something even more irritating...then I can do a two-fer and give ya both a few days off.

I think I will take the advice of some others on here, and just ignore him...