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Old 03-20-2009, 06:14 AM
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House adopts plan for 'volunteer' corps
Also requires new evaluation of 'mandatory' service for all
Posted: March 19, 2009
4:58 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new "volunteer corps" and consider whether "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" should be developed.

The legislation also refers to "uniforms" that would be worn by the "volunteers" and the "need" for a "public service academy, a 4-year institution" to "focus on training" future "public sector leaders." The training, apparently, would occur at "campuses."

The vote yesterday came on H.R. 1388, which reauthorizes through 2014 the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, acts that originally, among other programs, funded the AmeriCorps and the National Senior Service Corps.

It not only reauthorizes the programs, but also includes "new programs and studies" and is expected to be funded with an allocation of $6 billion over the next five years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Many, however, are raising concerns that the program, which is intended to include 250,000 "volunteers," is the beginning of what President Obama called his "National Civilian Security Force" in a a speech last year in which he urged creating an organization as big and well-funded as the U.S. military. He has declined since then to elaborate.

WND reported when a copy of the speech provided online apparently was edited to exclude Obama's specific references to the new force.

The new bill specifically references the possibilities "if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service."

Such new requirements perhaps, the legislation notes, "would strengthen the social fabric
of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds."

No one, apparently with the exception of infants, would be excluded:

"The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives."

According to a report by Canada Free Press, "'volunteerism' that kept America running since the days of its founding" would be "wiped out with the stroke of a pen."

"It becomes forced labor and like the practice of another era, presses American citizens of all ages and creeds, unknowingly into military service," the commentary said.

"On paper, H.R. 1388 is the 'Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act'; the more innocuous sounding 'The Give Act,' for short.

"The Give Act puts the finishing touches to Public Allies New Leadership
for New Times, modeled after Saul Alinsky's 'Peoples Organizations' and operating under Michelle Obama," the commentary said.

"Michelle was also a pioneer in the social entrepreneur movement – leaders who create new approaches and organize to provide new solutions to social problems. Like most things Saul Alinsky, H.R. 1388 sounds noble in stating why wide-sweeping change is necessary," the commentary said.

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Old 03-20-2009, 06:22 AM
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Hey Obama .... volunteerism evaporates when it becomes mandatory. Its almost as bad as that nut-job you have as your stooge-in-waiting that said that paying more taxes is patriotic.

I'll continue to do my charitable work, and I'll thank you to keep the hell out of my charitable efforts.

Here is my contribution to your proposed "Give Act".

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Old 03-20-2009, 07:27 AM
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Actually it sounds like a great idea if they add a few words. Instead of simply saying that "everyone" will be involved, they should say that "every able bodied person that is on welfare and wants to keep receiving their benefits" will be involved.

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Actually it sounds like a great idea if they add a few words. Instead of simply saying that "everyone" will be involved, they should say that "every able bodied person that is on welfare and wants to keep receiving their benefits" will be involved.

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That's the best idea I've heard yet.

If they can't get those welfare folks to work for money, how do they think they're going to get them to work for FREE?
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Go read the bill guys. First off, this group already exists. The bill does NOT say that everyone would wear uniforms. It does say that uniforms MAY be provided at the expense and discretion of the group. Also, the word 'uniform' replaced 'clothing' from the original law. A uniform could be something like denim overalls for cleaning up a playground, or even orange jumpsuits. Nothing is specified.

Still, like anything the government does it bears watching.

Doing your homework is a good idea, but use a source that has the facts rather than paranoid hyperbole.

Here is the bill as passed by the House:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c111J4WMvJ::

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Go read the bill guys. First off, this group already exists. The bill does NOT say that everyone would wear uniforms. It does say that uniforms MAY be provided at the expense and discretion of the group. Also, the word 'uniform' replaced 'clothing' from the original law. A uniform could be something like denim overalls for cleaning up a playground, or even orange jumpsuits. Nothing is specified.

Still, like anything the government does it bears watching.

Doing your homework is a good idea, but use a source that has the facts rather than paranoid hyperbole.

Here is the bill as passed by the House:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c111J4WMvJ::

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Groups of such "volunteers," would, under the legislation, be "grouped together as appropriate in campuses for operational, support, and boarding purposes. The Corps campus for a unit shall be in a facility or central location established as the operational headquarters and boarding place for the unit. … There shall be a superintendent for each camp."


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WOW, VRM (Steve), you've now earned your upgrade Certificate from practically all of us at ClubCobra (of course, not actually sanctioned by this site)......

Here it is....

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You have earned it, big time and Congratulations as I know you've been actively working on this for months.
I get a chuckle out of how consistently you post personal attacks whenever somebody posts an opposing viewpoint. If you only want to read ultra-right viewpoints to back up your own then I suggest finding a Taliban site.
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I get a chuckle out of how consistently you post personal attacks whenever somebody posts an opposing viewpoint. If you only want to read ultra-right viewpoints to back up your own then I suggest finding a Taliban site.
Personal attack? Geez, it's an upgrade - we need to keep it real around here, as you've suggested. I'm surprised and disappointed by your response, it's not like we are pointing out something that you don't know.

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