A Fuzzy Thread

[trularin]

Steve, I am on three bags.

[bomelia]

The gaining of extra political power worries me the most. Granting gay people the institution of marriage opens new doors. I have serious reservations about gay couples raising adopted children or children that they use surrogates for. Why? First, its not normal! Its not biological, it is not natural. Anybody with kids (hetero parents) will tell you that there are distcinct, discernable charactertsitics in children that atttach to dads & moms. They get something different out of each parent. They need that. Yes, in one parent households, that is missing. And in some of those cases, the kids grow up with scars.

Second, these kids get a skewed view on normal life. And, the gay parents benefit politically by training these kids that the gay lifestyle is normal and accepted. This is another way that gays will get political power not commensurate with their population fraction.

If you grant gays "marriage" then you must allow them to adopt. Then what after that? The civil union, imperfect as it is the best answer. Gay couples must not be allowed to compete with hetero couples for adoption of children.

Finally, I know it is a stretch, but what about what today is considered deviant behavior? Adult/child sex. Human/animal sex? Etc? Each time we let go of one of the strings that ties us to the Truth, the remaining strings get put under greater tension. Eventially, they get cut too. There is truth in this world. But accepting non-truth as truth has its consequences. I really despise when folks try to tie the gay issue to the racial issue. They are not even close.

Mike

[VRM]

Mike,
I really despise when one group of people tries to tell another group of people how to live their lives in a country that is supposed to be full of freedom. So there!

Anyway - deviant behaviour (to me) would be something that is against the law. And that usually covers anything not involving consenting adult(s). Do you consider tattoos and piercings deviant? Should they be outlawed as well, or should they just be be restricted to people over a certain age?

As for gays adopting, I agree that kids are better off with two parents, and I would also agree that a male and female parents would be the ideal situation. I also think that most stable gay couples would be better parents than a number of parents currently raising kids. And I suspect that gay couples may be more open to adopting kids of different races (they are used to dealing with differences) where a lot of WASP types may only want white kids and have to go to Russia to get them. I know this is a personal thing for you as I think you adopted at least one of your kids (Caleb, right?). I'm sure you and your wife are great parents, but if you and other 'normal' families were not available to adopt him would you rather he go to a foster family with 5 other foster kids or a gay/lesbian couple with a nice house in the 'burbs?

Having a 'normal' family does not prevent kids from getting skewed in some way. In MA a gay person has no more political power than I do. A gay married guy has less political power than I do because his marriage is not recognised at the Federal level.

And when you get right down to it I think that the total % of American population that is gay is something like 2%, and I strongly suspect that a large number of gays who marry are more interested in the legal benefits than raising kids.

All that being said - I do wish that gays and other groups would stop marching around telling everyone how <insert adjective here> they are.

Steve

[bomelia]

They are 2-5%. Yet they have (and are gaining) political power beyond their numbers.

I am not totally opposed to gay parents... and I know this will sound awful... but in the case where children are difficult to adopt, any parenting at all is better than none at all. And even here, I am somewhat conflicted.

I just do not ever want to see a gay couple competing with a hetero couple for adoptions. I would assume in MA that you are indeed seeing gay couples now adopting children. Right? And if there are problems with it, laws will be passed that say one can not discriminate (in adoption) on the basis of sexual orientation, etc. THEN, the pregnant mother wanting her child adopted will lose all rights, gays will gain rights... and abortion rates will rise.

Of course, I am just positing, but you can see it if you think about it.

Mike