Should anybody be charged with a crime for torture?

[Jamo]

Steve...it's just fine, but it seems to me that if we are the ones guaranteeing their existence, we ought not hear nary a peep from that quarter.

[Dan40]

The Treaty of Versailles "prevented" Germany from having an army of more than 100,000. with no tanks, airplanes, or subs. 6 ships were allowed.

Since that treaty was so punitive, WWII must have been our fault too.

The Japanese perspective that we forced, planned, instigated, the Pearl Harbor attack is interesting. Silly and stupid, but interesting.
I read a history book in Germany [actually a few German history books]. They disavow any responsibility for Hitler. The country was in turmoil with NEW Governments coming in AND going out, sometimes in the same day. Their version is the Hitler's Government was the FORTY-FIFTH different Government in a 90 day period. So HOW could they know he would turn out to be a mad man?

[Ron61]

Dan,

And they did abide by the treaty as they built the guns, planes, and subs and ships for other nations and were doing it just to generate jobs for the German people. Of course with German efficiency they had to test them before they would put them on the market.

Ron

[Excaliber]

So let me get this straight. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the USA made them? Which is like a defense for drunk driving, "I didn't mean to your Honor 'cause I was drunk." Or maybe it falls under the category of "The devil made me do it." How about the drug addict who does burglary because he HAS to have the money to get more drugs and his addiction made him do it.

Unbelievable that someone from Japan would even SUGGEST such a stupid excuse for war! And this is in their TEXT BOOKS????

I understand the screwed up thinking process being espoused here. America didn't want to go to war, something had to be done to pull them in, blah blah blah. Ten pounds of BS in an eight pound sack, and it stinks!

Two words: TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

[Tatsushige]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Steve...it's just fine, but it seems to me that if we are the ones guaranteeing their existence, we ought not hear nary a peep from that quarter.

That is funny ... the ONLY reason the US is NOT a 3rd world country at the moment is because both Japan and China holds over $900 Billion worth of your debt. Clinton was here a few months ago asking Japan to purchase another $100 billion to keep the US a float from going under.

Now if you know anything, if both Japan and China decided to DUMB the US bonds that they both hold it would send the US$ crashing faster than the WTC's hitting the deck, the US would take the same path that Argentina has taken. And look at the dumb.

I think it is Japan and China that are guaranteeing YOUR existence, and we ought not hear a peep from the US

Also look in to who is paying for your stupid wars, 2008 Bush asked Japan for $400 Billion which Japan handed over, against what the public wanted, The Japanese Tax payers said "NO it is a US Cluster F**K let the US citizens pay for it" But as the US is BROKE it once again has come to Japan to borrow money!

You have only just paid for the US embassy that was 15 years late at $10 Million a year, That bill was $225 Million. Thank you for paying that, please make sure you pay on time for now on.

Originally Posted by Excaliber

So let me get this straight. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the USA made them? Which is like a defense for drunk driving, "I didn't mean to your Honor 'cause I was drunk." Or maybe it falls under the category of "The devil made me do it." How about the drug addict who does burglary because he HAS to have the money to get more drugs and his addiction made him do it.

Unbelievable that someone from Japan would even SUGGEST such a stupid excuse for war! And this is in their TEXT BOOKS????

I understand the screwed up thinking process being espoused here. America didn't want to go to war, something had to be done to pull them in, blah blah blah. Ten pounds of BS in an eight pound sack, and it stinks!

Two words: TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

Excaliber, Go look up on the NET the US Declassified Doc

"The McCollum Memo:
The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor"

On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox. Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt's most trusted military advisors.

The memo, detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that it was a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure", and America entered World War Two.

This memo, which proves that the government of the United States desired to lure Japan into an attack, was declassified in 1994.

A little from the Memo

9. It is not believed that in the present state of
political opinion the United States government is capable of
declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely
possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the
Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following
course of action is suggested:

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of
British bases in the Pacific, particularly
Singapore.
B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of
base facilities and acquisition of supplies
in the Dutch East Indies.
C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government
of Chiang-Kai-Shek.
D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to
the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.
F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in
the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese
demands for undue economic concessions,
particularly oil.
H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan,
in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed
by the British Empire.

10. If by these means Japan could be led to commit an
overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully
prepared to accept the threat of war.

Excaliber, Two words: TAKE RESPONSIBILITY


Go to war with Iraq because of WMD, Unbelievable that someone from the USA would even SUGGEST such a stupid excuse for war! Maybe they should look at the WMD in their own back yard and start a war with themselves.