Should anybody be charged with a crime for torture?

[Ronbo]

Originally Posted by Tatsushige

Well believe in what you want, I will NOT change my mind!

Since your from Australia, you should talk to your family. Lots of Ausies fought in WWII.

Your thinking is fundimentally flawed because you don't realize these wars were not fought by govenments, but by your Fathers, Grand fathers, Uncles, Great uncles, ect. If your thinking is that they were immoral people bent on destroying innocent Japanese, well, I disagree. They did nothing short of save the world. (although they'd never say it) All of us, including the people of Japan, Germany, and Italy are in their debt, not any government.

As far as trusting government, hell our country was founded on the basis that the government can't be trusted. Just look at our struggle to keep our right to arm ourselves. (which you've lost where your at)

[bomelia]

Well, they would not have lost that right if they were not so busy terrorizing (and killing) their neigbors way back when, and until up to about 60 years ago. Personally, I hope Article 9 is never overturned. I think, based on the elitist attitude I am picking up on, things could go backwards.

[Dan40]

Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!

[jhv48]

I think that war should have NO rules whatsoever. Do whatever it takes to annihilate the opposition as fast as possible.

Maybe then we would think twice about starting one.

And from reading all the posts from chop suey, start one with him at the epicenter!

[Tatsushige]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!

And if you believe that then you are ****** then I give you credit for. but what can one expect from a person in a country were they believe in everything they see in films.


Anyways

Time to INVADE the terrorist state if israel over WMD

Israel brushes off call to sign nuclear arms pact

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel brushed off Wednesday a U.S. call to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, saying it saw no indication that the Obama administration wanted to revise the secrecy around the assumed Israeli atomic arsenal.

"As far as we are concerned, there is no change to the close dialogue we have with Washington," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy said in response to the call by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller on Israel to join the NPT.

Levy's statement did not elaborate. Such language by Israeli officials in this context refers to Washington's decades-old practice of not asking its ally to come clean on its nuclear capabilities and accept international regulation.

Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic weapons but neither confirms nor denies this under an "ambiguity" billed as deterring foes while avoiding the sort of provocations that can trigger arms races. Arab countries and Iran see a double-standard in the U.S.-sanctioned reticence.

Speaking Tuesday during a meeting at the United Nations of the 189 NPT signatories, Gottemoeller said "universal adherence to the NPT itself, including by India, Israel , Pakistan and North Korea ... remains a fundamental objective of the United States."

She did not say whether the Obama administration planned new steps to press Israel on the issue.

The NPT is designed to facilitate access to peaceful nuclear energy while placing safeguards against the production of bombs, such as mandatory U.N. inspections.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, an Israeli official said NPT membership had not stopped Iraq and Libya from trying to develop nuclear weapons.

"Its effects on Iran have (also) failed to meet the eye," the official told Reuters. "It is therefore hard to understand why there should be such an insistence on a treaty that has proven its inefficiency."

Israel and the West regard Iran's nuclear program as a potential threat, although Tehran insists its purpose is to produce nuclear energy only.

According to declassified American documents cited by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists magazine, under Richard Nixon the United States knew Israel had developed nuclear weapons but opted against demanding transparency. In turn, Israel agreed not to test a bomb nor declare itself nuclear-armed, scholars say.

The arrangement allows Israel to skirt a U.S. ban on funding states that proliferate weapons of mass-destruction. It can thus enjoy some $3 billion (1.99 billion pounds) in annual defence aid from Washington.

This is one WAR I am happy to get in to Give me a HK416 and a PSG-1 and I will be on my way!

[Ronbo]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!

Well, not quite. A Samurai would only under special circumstance even partialy reveal the blade of his sword. However it was expected to bow to them and failure to show respect was considered an insult to the lord they served. Typically, your head would part company from your body in short order.

Look folks, we all have skeletons in our closets and our homes sit on land we kicked someone's azz for at some point. If history had not taken the course it did I'd be sitting in a thatch hut picking ticks off my balls, hoping I find something to kill tomorrow so I don't starve.

Those who forged my past left me a better life and what they felt was a good government, no doubt at someone's expense at times. They witnessed wrongs in the world and did what they could to stop it even if it was outside our borders. The point of history is to learn from (not blame) mistakes and hopefully not repeat them. The US and a handfull of other countries have managed to not have a global conflict break out under it's 60yrs of sitting on Europe and standing firm against the Communists.

We've all made our share of mistakes, but I dare any country to compare to the US in tossing our dirty laundry out in the front yard for everyone to see. (eventually someone talks)

BTW bankrupsy is nothing new for US (or most any country), We were bankrupt after WWII, the civil war, the cold war (almost). But we'll pick ourselves up. Possibly those who claim to stand by us will help, some will no doubt just kick us instead. Either way we'll get back up.

[Tatsushige]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

The point of history is to learn from (not blame) mistakes and hopefully not repeat them.

Yes but the problem is WE have NOT learnt from the mistakes, look at the jews and the Arab Problem.

EG the ILLEGAL land grabs by the jews at the expense of the Arabs.


Now if anyone did the same to an ally of the US, UK or Australia, we be bombing the hell out of them like we did to Iraq in 1990/91 when they invaded Kuwait.

YET we sit back and watch as the jews do the same thing as the Nazis did, by exterminating the Palestinian slowly day by day.


The US went ape**** at the Russians over the use of Force on Georgia yet from what I have read have said SFA and not allot about the use of Force the jews threw at the Palestinians.

Like I said before, If you are a Friend of the West you can break any International Laws you like and get away with it, if you are not a Friend of the West you will have the West give you the **** about your actions for the rest of time!

[Ron61]

Edited to delete content. Just not worth arguing with that guy or whatever he is today.

Ron