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Old 06-08-2009, 09:19 AM
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Ron,

I know this thread has pretty much run it's course, but...

I went to a lot of trouble to explain how I thought, "weighing less at the top of a mountain" is the same thing as an accelerating spaceship where Captain Kirk, who is driving up front, experiences slightly less acceleration than Scotty, who is tending to the rear engines."

Then, while discussing this with my brother in emails, I ran into this:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravita...dshift#History
under History, 3rd paragraph:
"...This was precisely Einstein's conclusion in 1911. He considered an accelerating box, and noted that according to the special theory of relativity, the clock rate at the bottom of the box was slower than the clock rate at the top. Nowadays, this can be easily shown in accelerated coordinates. The metric tensor in units where the speed of light is one is:......"

So my idea isn't new after all. So much for laymen "pulling a block out".

For you, Buzz and others that are interested in learning more about black holes, and have the time, I found this page from MIT with several free lectures on youtube (six at one about hour each). One of them was actually open in a window on my computer for a week or so before the thread. I had forgotten about it. I was going to listen in dead-web Glendive, but it had become stuck/corrupt until reloading anyway. So much to learn, so little time.

The weather is really weird here. Last week I was out riding dirt bike at 85° with my son and now it has snowed ...again. That is how I originally got keenly interested in Gravity. I was, years ago, perusing some books on motorcycles and right across the aisle was the book called THE RIDDLE OF GRAVITATION by Peter Bergmann. A riddle? I got sucked in.
When I was a kid, I used to imagine what it would be like to have an anti-gravity machine. Didn't we all?
In the sky; it's a bird; it's a plane; it's Superman!

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Old 06-08-2009, 10:07 AM
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Wes,

I believe that your statement about the clock being slower at the top of a mountain was proven in space a few years back with an atomic clock on the ground and one that was keyed off of it in space. There are a lot of very good places on the net to look up stuff like this and I read a lot of it as space has always been a big fascination to me.

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