Now they want your knives.......

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

I carry a Benchmade automatic knife.

If you read the article you would find that the previous personnel that made decisions on this were replaced by bureaucrats who know nothing about knives. I believe, as the article does, this will restrict knives that have the thumb stud. Here is the knife in question. Buy one now!!

https://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-Van-Hoy-OnFire--1947

Roscoe

UPDATE!

Roscoe just ordered one......

Roscoe

Actually Roscoe,
It says that Ritter from the Knife Rights group makes the claim:

"What we do know is when the incoming administration reshuffled assignments at Customs, it moved the responsibility for knives and switchblades from one organization with Customs to a new organization," he said. "That group has, as far we can tell, virtually no experiences, background or anything with knives."

Ritter offers only an opinion based, perhaps, on the fact the he does not like the review.

Frederick McCray, the guy who ordered the review, is the Chief of Intellectual Property Rights Branch of the Department of Homeland Security, and he was appointed to the post in 2003! How did Obama do that!?!

Or is it a Republican flunky trying to take our knives away?

Or is it someone just trying to get some press so some suckers wil buy some knives.


Seriously, WND are NOT reporters, just Kool-Aid dispensers.

Steve

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

Frederick McCray, the guy who ordered the review, is the Chief of Intellectual Property Rights Branch of the Department of Homeland Security, and he was appointed to the post in 2003! How did Obama do that!?!

Or is it a Republican flunky trying to take our knives away?

Hmmm....maybe, just maybe.... his new boss decided for him that it was time for him to re-evaluate a protocol that had been sitting for 6 years (+), unresolved, as far as the new boss was concerned.

Nah. This new administration wouldn't do that. Pshaw. Must be another Republican flunky, posturing to show he's still relevant......

[VRM]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

Hmmm....maybe, just maybe.... his new boss decided for him that it was time for him to re-evaluate a protocol that had been sitting for 6 years (+), unresolved, as far as the new boss was concerned.

Nah. This new administration wouldn't do that. Pshaw. Must be another Republican flunky, posturing to show he's still relevant......

Hmmm, maybe you should just go read the thing for yourself.
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/.../43genno21.pdf

Start reading around page 5. It gets good and technical around page 25.

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by VRM

Hmmm, maybe you should just go read the thing for yourself.
http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/.../43genno21.pdf

Start reading around page 5. It gets good and technical around page 25.

Hhmmm....you're right, and I was wrong.

The protocol had been around since 1971, when 15 CFR was implemented -after being adopted in 1958.

That's, what? - 38 years (adopted) ? I guess I was way off . And, of course, ol' Mr. McCray saw nothing wrong with some submitted knives in August of 2008 - when he was just another Republican flunky under GW Bush - and permitted their entry and sale. Just as several of his predecessors had done, as early as 2004. Bush administration, tho.

But in April 2009 - now under the GodSent Administration - he suddenly sees the light and error of his ways, and sends God's Own lightning out and rescinds not only his own prior judgment, but those of his predecessors as far back as 2004.

Which - of course - was the George Bush era.

Hhmm. Maybe I shouldn't have read it closer. Then again, maybe you should have, too.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

Hhmmm....you're right, and I was wrong.

The protocol had been around since 1971, when 15 CFR was implemented -after being adopted in 1958.

That's, what? - 38 years (adopted) ? I guess I was way off . And, of course, ol' Mr. McCray saw nothing wrong with some submitted knives in August of 2008 - when he was just another Republican flunky under GW Bush - and permitted their entry and sale. Just as several of his predecessors had done, as early as 2004. Bush administration, tho.

But in April 2009 - now under the GodSent Administration - he suddenly sees the light and error of his ways, and sends God's Own lightning out and rescinds not only his own prior judgment, but those of his predecessors as far back as 2004.

Which - of course - was the George Bush era.

Hhmm. Maybe I shouldn't have read it closer. Then again, maybe you should have, too.

TB,
Yep - I read it.

And I actually do not think that McCray is a flunky of either party - that was sarcasm (and thus the smiley). He is a bureaucrat - his own political views are not known.

Yes they reversed their previous decisions - but did you read the technical description of why? They applied a plain English definition to the law as written (and even listed what those definitions were). Did you read the description of the Van Hoy? They call them 'spring assist' - from an engineering point of view I don't see much that differentiates them from a switchblade. It carries stored energy in order to open the blade when a mechanism is triggered.

Perhaps the Obama administration does not like these knives, however, they are enforcing the law as it is written, and they state their rationale for doing so. That is their job. Perhaps that job was not a priority under previous administrations, or perhaps McCray is an 'activist' and wanted these knives available. We simply do not have enough info to make that determination. However, if you read page 32 you will see that a number of similar knives were prohibited with dates ranging from 2000 to 2008 indicating that people in the Bush and Clinton administrations were also busy banning the import of knives.

As much as I dislike this specific law (it's like banning all naked women because a kid might accidentally see one, or the rationale used by many that want to ban guns), it is still the law and the executive branch is obligated to follow and enforce it to the best of their ability, regardless of whether they agree with it or not.

You are welcome to challenge the findings - you have 10 days left to comment. I do not see a way past the technical issues, but perhaps you can come up with something.

You are also welcome to try and change/eliminate the law, and you would have my support on that. That bill was written by a DNC Congress and signed into law by a GOP president who I happen to have a great deal of respect and admiration for, but who I do not view as infallible.

But lets keep blaming Obama. Oh, and the stock market might go up or down tomorrow as well - I bet that is his fault too.

Steve

[427sharpe]

Second, the Feds do not have the power to ban a product - they can only limit the interstate sale of that product using the commerce clause.

A ban by any other name.....
By using the incredibly hyper-extended commerce clause, the federal government has gotten into areas completely out of their jurisdiction; including this one. As Ron commented earlier, the fact of knife regulations being entertained by the federal government is ludicrous. In actuality, the issue is and should be an import issue only. The remainder should fall into states rights as per the constitution:
Article one, section 8:
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes [emphasis added]
And, of course, the 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
And there lies the rub...it's NOT the federal governments business to establish ANY state policy!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by 427sharpe

Second, the Feds do not have the power to ban a product - they can only limit the interstate sale of that product using the commerce clause.

A ban by any other name.....
By using the incredibly hyper-extended commerce clause, the federal government has gotten into areas completely out of their jurisdiction; including this one. As Ron commented earlier, the fact of knife regulations being entertained by the federal government is ludicrous. In actuality, the issue is and should be an import issue only. The remainder should fall into states rights as per the constitution:
Article one, section 8:
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes [emphasis added]
And, of course, the 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
And there lies the rub...it's NOT the federal governments business to establish ANY state policy!

I agree 110%!

[turnpike boy]

VRM, in alignment with your tacit observations, I don't believe Obama is blameless; the policies he cleaves to are well-known and - by extension - handed down to those who work for him. Does this include Mr. McCray? We can deflect all we want, but coincidence frequently has its' basis in fact.

That the federal code began with Eisenhower and gained enforcement with Reagan is noted - that there appears to have been some regulatory slippage under the Bush regime is also. Enforcing essentially pointless laws shouldn't be observed as an acme of competency; on the contrary, eliminating them should. And Lord knows our government doesn't arbitrarily apply the laws on the books . That a useless law - as this one plainly is - got ignored for several years could be observed as pragmatic - but then, it could also be observed as slipshod and careless. All depends on your perspective of what's important, which is pretty interesting as it relates to Mr. Obama.

Nope - not gonna try to change the law; besides, there's plenty of time past those 10 days to make that change. In regard to the technical issues, surely there must not be a way past them, as you so cunningly observe .

However, the market......ahh, who knows.



-Roger