Obama Gets Stern With North Korea

[Buzz]

Are you saying that you too believe that Obama means to take away the vote from American citizens? Do you think if I lived in the US, I would think there was even a remote possibility of that being on his agenda?
I am not criticizing for the sake of being a jerk - I am genuinely surprised that a rational, educated person would be that paranoid. So much so, in fact that I don't think you guys actually believe stuff like that at all. I think (hope) that the dislike for the man and his party and their associated policies is so intense that statements like that are a deliberate spouting of propoganda that you know to be false or at least unrealistic. My point then is that once people choose to indulge solely in negative rhetoric for its own sake, then there is little hope for civil debate or conversation as would normally occur in a "lounge".
The net result is that most threads posted here are doomed to deteriorate into polarized camps telling each other to piss off because the intention from the get go is to validate personal convictions and denigrate all others at the expense of everything else - including truth, honesty and general rationality.
Of course all of what I just typed will be instantly (and conveniently) interpreted as liberal, lefty, Obamamania B.S., but the truth is I feel that way about blind, unreasoning rhetoric no matter who is spewing it and regardless of who or what the target is.

[FWB]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Are you saying that you too believe that Obama means to take away the vote from American citizens? Do you think if I lived in the US, I would think there was even a remote possibility of that being on his agenda?
I am not criticizing for the sake of being a jerk - I am genuinely surprised that a rational, educated person would be that paranoid. So much so, in fact that I don't think you guys actually believe stuff like that at all. I think (hope) that the dislike for the man and his party and their associated policies is so intense that statements like that are a deliberate spouting of propoganda that you know to be false or at least unrealistic. My point then is that once people choose to indulge solely in negative rhetoric for its own sake, then there is little hope for civil debate or conversation as would normally occur in a "lounge".
The net result is that most threads posted here are doomed to deteriorate into polarized camps telling each other to piss off because the intention from the get go is to validate personal convictions and denigrate all others at the expense of everything else - including truth, honesty and general rationality.
Of course all of what I just typed will be instantly (and conveniently) interpreted as liberal, lefty, Obamamania B.S., but the truth is I feel that way about blind, unreasoning rhetoric no matter who is spewing it and regardless of who or what the target is.

buzz, don't get me wrong, while i think obama is wrong for the country, i don't seriously believe there won't be any elections. however he has certainly done a few questionable things so far that i find not to be in line with the countries constitution. i think ron, and i don't speak for ron, was just making a point that he feels obama won't let a silly thing like the constitution stand in his way of him staying in power. because that is all that matters to him. granted bush sucked, he wasn't conservative enough for me. obama, to me, seems farther to the left than lenin. i will just expect the worst from this administration so if he gets anything done that is of value, then it will be a bonus.

[Buzz]

Fair enough, but I think you should have more faith in America itself. I don't doubt that Obama, like many other politicians, would like to have the constitution treated "more as a set of guidelines, matey" (you have to say that in a Captain Barbosa accent for full effect) in order to give him more leeway to run things the way he wants, but in reality, the constitution is not all that easy to mess with. If it was, "well intentioned" political leaders in an effort to save the citizens from themselves would have trashed the second amendment long ago. Even the most myopic politicians recognize that interfering with what Americans accept as basic, fundamental, constitutional rights is political suicide.