American Czars

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by VRM

Hmmm....... it's very tempting...

I didn't think the cavalry would arrive that fast.

There is a dedicated monitor at CC-HQ that streams every post from, let's say. "selected users." It's like cameras in a casino.

[FWB]

i would guess there is ron, i just hope no one hacks into my user account as that would be a direct violation off cc user policy. i do thank you for monitoring the forum as you guys do. this has to be one of the best places i have ever been a member of, a lot of great people and great info. hats off to you all

Fred

[VRM]

Originally Posted by computerworks

There is a dedicated monitor at CC-HQ that streams every post from, let's say. "selected users." It's like cameras in a casino.

Well, I guess it is better to be at the top of a pile of garbage than at the bottom, right?

[Jamo]

Hehehe...we WISHED we had such technology.

More like preditory instincts.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Hehehe...we WISHED we had such technology.

More like preditory instincts.

Well, you could always put us miscreants into a moderator queue...

Cause I know you have nothing better to do, right?
It might also play havoc with thread continuity.

[VRM]

So back on topic - How many tsars constitutes too much?
Is it better to have a specific individual who can be held responsible for specific goals, or to have a bureaucracy that just plods along doing what they always do?

Bush Sr. appointed the first drug tsar way back when - I'm not sure if there has been a long term measurable metric to determine that whatever policies that individual implemented were effective.

I'm really on the fence about tsars/directors/whatever-you-want-to-call-it people. I think that individuals with the proper motivation can be more effective than a group of government workers. But I also think that rewards for non-performance is also too prevalent.

Steve

[Ron61]

Steve,

He appoints tsars for every thing he can come up with a name for and then of course they have to have a staff of all of their friends. Do you actually believe this is any improvement over the commission type of crap? The only thing any of them are interested in is their big pay and getting as many friends on the payroll as possible. If it would actually work to the benefit of the country I would be all for it, but it is just a job creating thing to get his friends into high paying jobs I feel. If he even put qualified people in the positions that could give it a little merit. I guess we just have to hope for the best.

Ron

[stuartb]

There is the 150,000 jobs created or saved that he claims the stimulus has already work for.

[trularin]

Poop, I hate to find out I'm on a "LIST".

I'm already on one list for sure, now there could be another list?

Oh woow is me.



BTW, that 150,000 will not even get close to cover the workers let go related to automobiles alone.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by FWB

lol,... ok jamo. point taken. consider vrm on ignore list.......for cdc's sake

Thanks, FWB - but, you thought tha Jamo was just kidding, right?

Now, try to avoid the high-horse elitists around here.

By the way, 'stuff' is either blamed on me or Bush.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Steve,

He appoints tsars for every thing he can come up with a name for and then of course they have to have a staff of all of their friends. Do you actually believe this is any improvement over the commission type of crap? The only thing any of them are interested in is their big pay and getting as many friends on the payroll as possible. If it would actually work to the benefit of the country I would be all for it, but it is just a job creating thing to get his friends into high paying jobs I feel. If he even put qualified people in the positions that could give it a little merit. I guess we just have to hope for the best.

Ron

Ron,
Like I said - rewards for non-performance are too prevalent. And I actually think that same thing hold true at all levels of government. 'Tsars', or whatever else you want to call them, can work to get the job done, but unless there is some level of accountability then it will not matter what you call them.
And acting like this is some new Obama thing is just plain silly - all administrations staff themselves with cronies. Getting elected means you owe a lot of favours - complaining only when the Democrat does it is (and I do not recall any of these type of posts 5 months after Bush was elected) hypocritical.

The shoe is on the other foot now - if the GOP had not made such a mess of things then the electorate might have kept them in office. Suck it up - there is still 3.5/7.5 years left.

Steve

[FWB]

no, i knew he was serious, thats what was funny

[FWB]

its you and bush's fault we are in this mess you know, if you would just drink the jones kool-aid.

[Ron61]

Steve,

If they are still around you will find that I complained about all of the friends and people that Bush, Clinton, and Bush Senior gave jobs to that didn't deserve them. Also no darn person needs 25 aides to do their work. If they can't do it, then they should not be appointed. Govt.is way over bloated and is just getting more so at a record pace now that he has passed both Bush and Clinton. Makes me wish for the Good Old Days of Jimmy Carter.

Ron

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by FWB

its you and bush's fault we are in this mess you know, if you would just drink the jones kool-aid.

But, just look at Obama on the subject of Iran.......

and, this....

We are so screwed......

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by VRM

Ron,
Like I said - rewards for non-performance are too prevalent. And I actually think that same thing hold true at all levels of government. 'Tsars', or whatever else you want to call them, can work to get the job done, but unless there is some level of accountability then it will not matter what you call them.
And acting like this is some new Obama thing is just plain silly - all administrations staff themselves with cronies. Getting elected means you owe a lot of favours - complaining only when the Democrat does it is (and I do not recall any of these type of posts 5 months after Bush was elected) hypocritical.

The shoe is on the other foot now - if the GOP had not made such a mess of things then the electorate might have kept them in office. Suck it up - there is still 3.5/7.5 years left.

Steve

Yes Bush was terrible. He took the full 8 years to increase the deficit by 5 Trillion dollars. Obama has committed to increase the deficit by more than 9 Trillion in only 4 months And he is still charging ahead. The $1.7Trillion, MINIMUM, extra that the 'health care non-plan' will cost is not even in the over 9 Trillion. Then there is Energy, his "plan-in-progress" for energy WILL be over at least a Trillion. Then education, pooff, another few Trillions.
Someone, for or against, I don't know, quoted $23,000,000,000,000.00 in obama's plans. How long do YOU remain silent? I have never been political in my life, and I do not want to be political. But this reckless clown, obama, is beyond reason even for a politician.
And it is not just the completely insane, and I mean actually, clinically insane, spending. But it is the voiding of the Constitution, the bypassing of business and bankruptcy laws. The out and out lying, The absolutely naive foreign policy statements, the sophomoric treatment of foreign leaders, friend and foe alike. "Thanks England for the priceless and unique gift, here's some old CD's" "Ahh President-for-Life, Dictator Chavez, let me show your completely spurious book to the world so it will sell more." And, while you're at it, "Gimmie a hug, you big lug."
Bush was inarticulate, this guy is a dolt.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Yes Bush was terrible. He took the full 8 years to increase the deficit by 5 Trillion dollars. Obama has committed to increase the deficit by more than 9 Trillion in only 4 months And he is still charging ahead. The $1.7Trillion, MINIMUM, extra that the 'health care non-plan' will cost is not even in the over 9 Trillion. Then there is Energy, his "plan-in-progress" for energy WILL be over at least a Trillion. Then education, pooff, another few Trillions.
Someone, for or against, I don't know, quoted $23,000,000,000,000.00 in obama's plans. How long do YOU remain silent? I have never been political in my life, and I do not want to be political. But this reckless clown, obama, is beyond reason even for a politician.
And it is not just the completely insane, and I mean actually, clinically insane, spending. But it is the voiding of the Constitution, the bypassing of business and bankruptcy laws. The out and out lying, The absolutely naive foreign policy statements, the sophomoric treatment of foreign leaders, friend and foe alike. "Thanks England for the priceless and unique gift, here's some old CD's" "Ahh President-for-Life, Dictator Chavez, let me show your completely spurious book to the world so it will sell more." And, while you're at it, "Gimmie a hug, you big lug."
Bush was inarticulate, this guy is a dolt.

Dan,
Yep, it is not a good situation. I do not think you were here posting at the time, but the handful of those that dared disagree with Bush were called all kinds of things by some of the same people who now whine about Obama - the excuse was that we were at war and we need to be united. Well, we are still at war...

Sorry, but the GOP has no leg to stand on - they already had us on the road to ruin - Obama is just doing it quicker. Fine, lets just get it over with and see what sort of country we will end up with - I'm really rather sick of waiting.

Maybe if people were more concerned with important things rather than how many tsars Obama has I might think that there would be some hope for us.

Steve

[Ron61]

Steve,

Maybe if people were more concerned with important things rather than how many tsars Obama has I might think that there would be some hope for us.

Once before I asked you to post your solution to straighten out this mess and all I heard was more about what Bush did. Bush is GONE. Get over it and start looking for solutions to the problems. Obama is not a solution, he is a bigger problem just adding onto the existing ones. If I knew any way to straighten this mess out I would be posting it on every web site. Unfortunately I am one of the dumb, uneducated ones that you look down on with such disdain. People are concerned. Just not the one in the White House. Maybe another dozen teleprompters would help him.

Ron

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Steve,

Maybe if people were more concerned with important things rather than how many tsars Obama has I might think that there would be some hope for us.

Once before I asked you to post your solution to straighten out this mess and all I heard was more about what Bush did. Bush is GONE. Get over it and start looking for solutions to the problems. Obama is not a solution, he is a bigger problem just adding onto the existing ones. If I knew any way to straighten this mess out I would be posting it on every web site. Unfortunately I am one of the dumb, uneducated ones that you look down on with such disdain. People are concerned. Just not the one in the White House. Maybe another dozen teleprompters would help him.

Ron

Ron,
I've posted my solutions before - feel free to look them up. The people complaining the loudest about Obama supported Bush - they do not have the right answers - they had their shot and blew it, but yet they want more of the same. Obama also has the wrong answer, and that needs to be proven to the Obama supporters before we can move on. Some of the Obama supporters will not believe it, just as some Bush supporters still think everything was rosy right up until Jan 19.

Everyone seems to think there are only two solutions to any problem; the GOP solution and the DNC solution, and a lot of people are going to cling to their solution (even if it does not work) because they fear the other one even more.
Steve

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by VRM

Dan,
Yep, it is not a good situation. I do not think you were here posting at the time, but the handful of those that dared disagree with Bush were called all kinds of things by some of the same people who now whine about Obama - the excuse was that we were at war and we need to be united. Well, we are still at war...

Sorry, but the GOP has no leg to stand on - they already had us on the road to ruin - Obama is just doing it quicker. Fine, lets just get it over with and see what sort of country we will end up with - I'm really rather sick of waiting.

Maybe if people were more concerned with important things rather than how many tsars Obama has I might think that there would be some hope for us.

Steve

My complaints have nothing to do with political parties. I have never been a registered Republican, and was only a registered Democrap as a youngster. Otherwise a life long Independent. Because neither party is worth a damn. Both are filled with career polos willing to beg, borrow, steal, or buy votes by any fraudulent means available. I distrust the Democratic Party more as it is overloaded with pie-in-the-sky, lost in Dreamland, liberals. They think that impossible Utopian dreams can be reality, and are willing to spend every cent of my money to prove they are wrong. But the Republican party, with its pseudo-conservatives, runs a very close second.
To think, believe, that either party will do something for us means they have won. Doesn't matter what label is attached to them.

ANYTHING "they" do FOR us, WE cannot afford!

What WE The People need to do is TAKE BACK our country from the lying politicians. And DO for ourselves.