Health Care Not A Right

[Ron61]

Just read this and you have to consider the source, but it does have some interesting points. One thing that I don't like about the whole mess is the requiring every person to have health insurance. Many can't even stay in their homes now and they want to add this burden onto them. Also to me this whole thing is a kind of paradox. Obama has stated that Seniors are a drag to society and should just take the pain and not waste money on medical care. Now he wants to make them pay for health insurance which many will not be able to and if they don't they will be fined. Most of that is my opinion and not what is stated in the article.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...nj,mrk,pfe,unh

Ron

[fsstnotch]

Ron Paul 2012..........

[cobra bill]

do you know what the Canadian's say about healthcare, they don't believe its right to penalize someone for getting sick, they don't believe they should lose their home or their life savings or there life because they got sick or injured. Sounds better then profiting from someone's misfortune!

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

do you know what the Canadian's say about healthcare, they don't believe its right to penalize someone for getting sick, they don't believe they should lose their home or their life savings or there life because they got sick or injured. Sounds better then profiting from someone's misfortune!

Our founding Fathers addressed this. You get sick, you cannot pay. Your family helps, your church helps. The Government does not help. You don't have a support group? You lose and you die.


Bu Bye!!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

Ron Paul 2012..........

I already voted for him in 2008. I've been told by dim bulb types that he couldn't win and that I wasted my vote (despite the math indicating that the more votes you get the better your chances are).

Vote early and vote often...
Steve

[cobra de capell]

Regarding the dim bulbs - are you talking to yourself?

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

do you know what the Canadian's say about healthcare, they don't believe its right to penalize someone for getting sick, they don't believe they should lose their home or their life savings or there life because they got sick or injured. Sounds better then profiting from someone's misfortune!

So, move to Canada. Under your boy's plan, you get sick - no penalty, you die.

[Roscoe]

Health care is not a right......It will be compulsory.

If you think health care is expensive....just wait till it's free.....PJ O'Rourke

Roscoe

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Regarding the dim bulbs - are you talking to yourself?

You might want to tweak your triac input up a bit - I can't see you real well...

Maybe you should consider an artificial light source.

[purespeed]

From the Wall Street Journal:

"Democrats want to ram through one of the greatest raids on private income and business in American history."

"This would raise the top marginal federal tax rate back to roughly 47% or 48%, if you include the Medicare tax and the phase-out of certain deductions and exemptions. With the current top rate at 35%, this would be the largest rate increase outside the Great Depression or world wars."

"The average U.S. top combined state-federal marginal tax rate would hit about 52%. This would be higher than in all but three (Denmark, Sweden, Belgium) of the 30 countries measured by the OECD. According to the nearby table compiled by the Heritage Foundation, taxpayers in at least five U.S. states would pay higher marginal rates even than Sweden."

The article is scary, but worth reading. Some of the comments are spot on.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1247...Tabs%3Darticle

[jams]

No free rides in life. Unfortunately so many have gotten used to assistance they can't function or won't function without help.

The only helping hand comes at the end of your own wrist!

[Ron61]

Jams,

You are correct about the no free rides but not everyone is wealthy and can afford all of the crap this dictator is shoving down their throats. And I thought this was a free country. Since when does a president have the power to make it mandatory that citizens buy whatever his Govt. decides to sell? Not all people are poor by choice. Many of them work hard to care for their families and those fortunate enough to have made enough to not have to worry should not automatically decide that anyone who can't afford anything that this Govt. decides to soak them with are lazy and worthless bums. I am sure that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet could use their mass fortunes and say the same about many of the millionaires in here.

Ron

[cobra bill]

Reagan pulled off the biggest tax increase in our history on the middle class and you never B*t**ed about that! so for all those out there that thought that greed was good and had a nice free for all on the backs of hard working Americans, time to pay up!

[Joe Wicked]

nice assumption there cobra bill. I would bet that many on this site experieced those tax hikes you speak of and did complain about it. Having max caps at around 50% of income in rediculous. no one should have to give up 1/2 of what they make for taxes. As it stands, I live comfortably right now. I do not pay the current max cap, but I am in the category that will go up under the new plans. Following the predictions, I will be taking home about the same as what I did 10 years ago. That is a huge cut in take home pay when you factor in inflation. Suddenly I am no longer comfortable and am struggling to make payments. No longer am I saving any money. So what is being created is a class that cannot spend money on anything other than necessities, not being able to save for retirement, people who never miss a payment and are never late are the new delinquents. Yea that is the way to bring the economy back.

Edit: I am not strictly against government run health care. I do not think this is the time to do it. doubling and tripling the debt is not how you fix the economy. All you do is delay the crash slightly. If Obama wants to be remembered as a great president he should announce (and follow through unlike Bush 1) that taxes will remain unchanged. Then force the government entities to work within the budgets. If a program is not fruitful, or is just frivolous it gets cut.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

do you know what the Canadian's say about healthcare, they don't believe its right to penalize someone for getting sick, they don't believe they should lose their home or their life savings or there life because they got sick or injured. Sounds better then profiting from someone's misfortune!

The liberal mind is a wondrous thing, How is it that we penalize anyone for getting sick? To penalize I must have the power to control their health, I do not! Nor does society so why is it that society is the bad guy.
This is the type of statement that liberals make to advance their cause and never clarify, people hear it enough and believe it without ever thinking it through.
Then your view of "profit from misfortune" as though a doctor, tow truck driver, or a dentist would be corrupt by making a living by helping those in need.The liberal mind is truly bass ackwards. Is this your argument for nationalized health care?

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

The liberal mind is a wondrous thing, How is it that we penalize anyone for getting sick? To penalize I must have the power to control their health, I do not! Nor does society so why is it that society is the bad guy.
This is the type of statement that liberals make to advance their cause and never clarify, people hear it enough and believe it without ever thinking it through.
Then your view of "profit from misfortune" as though a doctor, tow truck driver, or a dentist would be corrupt by making a living by helping those in need.The liberal mind is truly bass ackwards. Is this your argument for nationalized health care?

I have no trouble with a doctor making a good wage, its corporations that only care about profit and not just a sustainable profit, but pure un-adulterated greed kind of profit, you know if they have 1.5 million to spend a day on fighting this, what does that tell you, I don't want a corporation between me and my doctor, I would take a bureaucrat any day!
And yes losing your life savings or your home to pay for healthcare is being penalized, 60% of all bankruptcy's are attributed to healthcare expenses. And if you get sick and can't work you lose your health insurance, then you lose your savings, next comes the home, these are people that work, not the losers on welfare or won't work, these are productive members of society, the dregs of society, those that live on government handouts only make up less than 1% of the population, everyone else is struggling to make their way in this world.
I like the way you guys always need a Boogieman! It's always something,
Liberal, Communist, Socialist, terrorist, the only way you can make your argument is to try and scare the un-educated, you're going right along with your play book, Hitler did know how to scare the public!

[427sharpe]

But how many people actually live within their means? How many 'save for a rainy day'? This mantra of 'tax the producers, tax the producers' is ridiculous. This country was founded primarily on self-reliance and it must stay there to survive. All of this tax and spend crap is nothing more than politicians creating entire generations of people dependent on handouts from the government to live, thereby buying the votes they need to maintain power. And of course as those handouts become accepted 'rights' the demand for 'what i deserve' goes up..and taxpayers must shell it out to raise the unearned dividends. It is amazing that so many kool-aid drinkers just don't seem to get the fact that the country was much better off before Johnson started all of this 'Great Society' nonsense to get his mention in the history books. Now, they line up for free healthcare...and common sense dictates that nothing comes free. And of course part of BoBo's plan includes rationing healthcare as they do in the United Kingdom. So, it's crazy costly, and if a bureaucrat doesn't think that you will live long enough to justify the cost, you still get to die because you have been taxed to the point of poverty so you can't afford anything else. Great plan, Einstein!

[cobra bill]

OK I'm sure that not enough people are living within their means, but this was just what the banks and corporations wanted, they did everything in their power to make this society what it is today, Oh sure it was the peoples own foolishness to buy into living a lifestyle thy could not afford, but not all of us have gone down that road.

Once again, scare tactics, it's OK for the republicans to borrow and spend but not for the democrats to Tax and spend, the people have spoken, we are willing to pay extra to get healthcare, and force the insurance companies to take clients with pre-existing conditions, and not refuse to cover you because it's too expensive, I don't feel bad if the CEO, can't get a 300% increase in pay in 2 years, yes that’s correct look it up! Just as we are willing to pay for defense, police, firefighter, and yes education, if you do not wish to contribute to the commons, then get the hell out, it's We the people, in order to from a more perfect union. And that's what we are doing! Either get on board or get out!

[fsstnotch]

Based on the current figures... the cost of my healthcare will double, the care given will drop significantly, the cost of utilities will rise 60%, the chance of being terminated or laid off has quadrupled.... ya... sounds to me that even people living within their means may soon be struggling. all the while the morons in gov't will keep spending like there's no tomorrow!

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by 427sharpe

But how many people actually live within their means? How many 'save for a rainy day'? This mantra of 'tax the producers, tax the producers' is ridiculous. This country was founded primarily on self-reliance and it must stay there to survive. All of this tax and spend crap is nothing more than politicians creating entire generations of people dependent on handouts from the government to live, thereby buying the votes they need to maintain power. And of course as those handouts become accepted 'rights' the demand for 'what i deserve' goes up..and taxpayers must shell it out to raise the unearned dividends. It is amazing that so many kool-aid drinkers just don't seem to get the fact that the country was much better off before Johnson started all of this 'Great Society' nonsense to get his mention in the history books. Now, they line up for free healthcare...and common sense dictates that nothing comes free. And of course part of BoBo's plan includes rationing healthcare as they do in the United Kingdom. So, it's crazy costly, and if a bureaucrat doesn't think that you will live long enough to justify the cost, you still get to die because you have been taxed to the point of poverty so you can't afford anything else. Great plan, Einstein!

Your position is absolutely correct and should be clear to anyone with a functioning brain.

When one is a liberal leech sucking the lifeblood out of our Nation, it is easy for them to believe that spending someone else's money is the same as free.
I find it SHOCKING to read here and in the media, the Anti-American, Communist, Socialist DRIVEL being mouthed by the idiot dupes. That 'Redistribution of the wealth" can be not obvious Communism is incredible.
"From each according to his needs, to each according to his ability!" IS the basic tenet of Communism. That has NO place in a Democratic Republic.

Another Socio-Communistic desire of the liberals is to censor the media. They condemn 'hate' radio and 'hate' TV, like Limbaugh and others and Fox.
They want them off the air and condemn them for 'hate.' When in fact, TRUE Americanism DEMANDS that all the media question ALL that the Government does.

Liberty means each one of us can say ANYTHING we wish against any politician. And the opposition is not only allowed to question and disagree, it has a DUTY to do so.

That is FREEDOM.
Robbing the rich and giving to the poor did not even work for Robin Hood.

There is no RIGHT to health care.
There is no RIGHT to make money.
There is no RIGHT to own a car.
There is no RIGHT to own a house.
There is no RIGHT to a college education.
There is no RIGHT to free food.
There is no RIGHT to anything that one has not personally earned.


There is A RIGHT to the opportunity to make what you will of yourself.