House Health-Care Bill Would Establish 'Medical Homes' for the Elderly and Disabled

[cobra de capell]

House Health-Care Bill Would Establish 'Medical Homes' for the Elderly and Disabled

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=51759
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I wonder if they will have an attached crematory on the premisis?

I'm guessing that the houses will tend to be like roach motels, people check in but never checked out alive.

[computerworks]

You conveniently left out "pilot program" from your description.

More scare craptics.

[cobra de capell]

Why is the fact that it would start as a "Pilot program" relative?

I also left off the fact that there well be no doctors around to assist staff - it will be a killing field, painless of course.

[cobra de capell]

In addition to "Medical Housing".....

• Sect. 123, Pg 30 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

• Sect. 142, Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

• Sect. 152, Pg 50-51 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

• Sect. 163, Pg 58-59 beginning at line 5 of HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!

• Sect. 163, Pg 59, lines 21-24 of HC Bill—Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer

• Sect. 312, Pg 145, Line 15-17 of HC Bill—An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.

• Sect. 401.59B, Pg 167, Lines 18-23—ANY individual who does not have acceptable HC, according to Government, will be taxed 2.5% of income.

• Sect.59B, Pg 170 Lines, 1—Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for alien healthcare.)

• Sect. 1121, Pg 239, Line 14-24 of HC Bill—Government will limit and reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income and poor are the ones affected.

• Sect. 1121, Pg 241, Line 6-8 of HC Bill—Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have; you’ll all be paid the same. “Service categories established under this paragraph shall apply without regard to the specialty of the physician furnishing the service.”

• Sect. 1122, Pg 253, Line 10-18—Government “validates relative value unit’s” (sets value of Doctor’s) time, professional judgment, methods etc. Literally, the value of humans.

• Sect. 1145, Pg 272—Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients and their treatment are open to rationing!

• Sect. 1156, Pg 317, Line 13-20—“PROHIBITION on Physician Ownership or Investment.” Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

• Sect. 1156, Pg 317-318, Lines 21-25, 1-3—“PROHIBITION on Expansion of Facility Capacity.” Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand (“number of operating rooms or beds”).

• Sect. 1177, Pg 354—Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! “Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.”

• Sect. 1233, Pg 425, Lines 17-19—Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

• Sect. 1233, Pg 427, Lines 15-24—Government mandates program for orders for life-sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life). The Government has a say in how your life ends.

• Sect. 1233, Pg 429, Lines 10-12 “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVERNMENT!

• Sect. 1233, Pg 430, Lines 11-15—The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life according to pre-set methods (not individually decided).

• Sect. 1501 (beginning), Pg 659-670—Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

• Sect. 1711, Pg 764—Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

• Sect.1751, Pg 800 Sec 1751—The Government will decide which Health Care conditions will be paid. Say “RATION!”

• Sect. 1904, Pg 843-844—This Home Visitation Program includes the Government coming into your house and teaching/telling you how to parent!!!

• Sect. 2002, Pg 858—Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s Billion.

• Sect. 3121, Pg 935, Line 1-2—Government will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Performance Standards.” They will tell me what to eat?

• Sect. 2521, Pg 1000—The Government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

[computerworks]

Sounds great...most all of that has been refuted.

oh, I read that (exactly as you pasted it) elsewhere also.

[cobra de capell]

Actually, it hasn't been refuted - try refuting any item posted - double dare you.

Is pasting now not within site guidelines? Why the snide comment if it isn't? It's simple list of section of the pending bill, will done and true.

Please stop following me around, it's like being followed by a liberal cop, if there is such a thing.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Actually, it hasn't been refuted - try refuting any item posted - double dare you.

...not worth the effort or the bandwidth. But, never backing down from a dare....I'll pick a group:

Sect. 1233, Pg 425, Lines 17-19—Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills and durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

• Sect. 1233, Pg 427, Lines 15-24—Government mandates program for orders for life-sustaining treatment (i.e. end of life). The Government has a say in how your life ends.

• Sect. 1233, Pg 429, Lines 10-12 “Advanced Care Consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVERNMENT!

Have you actually read the text? It is online. I'm no attorney, nor am I health care professional, but I can read.
There is nothing "mandatory" or "an ORDER from GOVERNMENT" in it at all.
This section simply amends existing coverage to allow ADDITIONAL payment for consultations on the subject every 5 years...which have not been covered for reimbursement before. It pays for that consult between you and your physician. ...that's all. No more, no less.

Who did this commenting that you cross posted? We'll probably never know since the text you posted is all over the blogs.

Listen, I have no strong feeling one way or the other on this reform... the system needs fixing, so any forward progress is good. And right now, it's a work in progress.

However, being a pawn of the extremists and propagating flat out falsehoods for partisan reasons just feels pretty slimy to me.

Is pasting now not within site guidelines? Why the snide comment if it isn't? It's simple list of section of the pending bill, will done and true.

As shown above, not well done and true. And, yes, consistent cut and pasting from other sites is spam....and that is not within site guidelines. This is a discussion forum provided for the pleasure and enjoyment of club members. Continued one-dimensional posting in news-feed fashion is not a discussion.

Please stop following me around, it's like being followed by a liberal cop, if there is such a thing.

Sorry, but I have to. Too many threads here go to redline too fast lately. People get along a lot better when they are talking about cars.

[Dan40]

FYI all,
At the present time and for a few DECADES. We have had MEDICAID paid Nursing homes. This is 'custodial care' not acute care. Nursing Homes do not have a Doctor on staff. Only on call. For MEDICAID to pay for one's nursing care, one must pay the charges until one spends themselves down to poverty level. The Gov. must have access to all financial accounts NOW. The patient cannot transfer funds out of their name to "achieve" poverty. The Gov can 'look back' and reclaim those funds. Some try to get around the requirement by transferring funds to their children while still healthy. Some problems with that are, The transfer must be complete permanent and without strings. If the patient can recover the funds, so can the Gov. Who does that while healthy? Long Term Care insurance is less risky. Many have transfered a few millions to a son only to find that the son's marriage was not all that great. As soon as the transfer is done, she files for divorce and takes HALF [the large half] of the new-found windfall!

There are nursing homes that will take MEDICAID payments and those that will not. In both cases, all financials must be disclosed. The homes that will not take MEDICAID cannot turn out the patient once they run out of money, so they make sure the money is there BEFORE taking the patient.
Not surprising, they have a larger and better paid staff the the MEDICAID reimbursed homes which receive much less from the Gov.

So not a lot that is way different than much that has existed for years. But isn't the present system what is supposed to be reformed?

[Don]

The Congressman from TN ( R ) has taken up the invitation from President Obama to go over the Health Bill line by line after the August vacation break. Offer was made during a recent Town Hall meeting. He was interviewed by Greta on Fox News

The letter to President Obama was sent today and the TN Congressman is awaiting a reply, anticipating additional requests for participation.

Being from CT, wonder if Senator Dodd will attend

[cobra de capell]

So, are you saying I'm slime?

Also as to following me around - I really don't mind at it is your job - just loose the attitude and 'tone' relating to me, please.

[cobra de capell]