Obamacare Meltdown

[cobra de capell]

Great Mark Steyn article on this subject....

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/l...29244-say-good

Unplugging Grandma isn't the problem


He speaks truth to my ears.

“The problem with government health systems is not that they pull the plug on Grandma. It’s that Grandma has a hell of a time getting plugged in in the first place. The only way to “control costs” is to restrict access to treatment, and the easiest people to deny treatment to are the oldsters. Don’t worry, it’s all very scientific. In Britain, they use a “Quality-Adjusted Life Year” formula to decide that you don’t really need that new knee because you’re gonna die in a year or two, maybe a decade-and-a-half tops. So it’s in the national interest for you to go around hobbling in pain rather than divert “finite resources” away from productive members of society to a useless old geezer like you. And you’d be surprised how quickly geezerdom kicks in: A couple of years back, some Quebec facilities were attributing death from hospital-contracted infection of anyone over 55 to “old age.” Well, he had a good innings. He was 57.”

[Dan40]

The obamalumpas first say there is no "single payer" in their health care bill. Then they say they will take it out. Then they say they won't. How do you remove or not remove what was never there? Phucking Magic? [aka FM]

The obamalumpas say there is no "Death Panel" in the bill. Then they say they will take it out! More FM?

Then they say there is no Government system in the bill and then they say they will use Co-Ops instead of the Government. Co-ops ARE the Government.

That's just the steaming pile of bullcrap. What about the money? The obamalumpas say their plan will save millions. Disregarding the FACT that so far they have had NO Plan in place for anything they have done yet.
Like the American auto industry WILL NOT go bankrupt, Well Ford, American Toyota and American Honda didn't go bankrupt. But GM and Chrysler DID. Despite obama's assurances that they would not be ALLOWED to go bankrupt. But they did! Then the obamalumpas GIVE Chrysler to Fiat in spite of the secured creditors guarantees to be first paid. And then they GIVE GM to the UAW. Screwing the secured creditors again. Many of them just ordinary citizens. Was that all "PLANNED" from the start? No the "PLAN" was knee jerk from beginning to end, same as the health care "plans" are now.
The Congressional Budget Office says one plan will increase debt by over a trillion and another plan with increase debt by over 1.6 trillion. obamalama calls the CBO head on the White House carpet. The Executive Branch does not have authority over the CBO and had NO business calling its head in for an azz chewing. Then BHO says the CBO has adjusted their numbers. The CBO says the health care plan will not increase debt by a trillion---------------------------If you steal 300 million from Medicare and raise taxes by 700 million. Obamalama left that out. And the $1.6 trillion overspend just vanished to somewhere. Then the obamalama says he will not sign a bill that, "is not revenue neutral!"

"REVENUE NEUTRAL"!!!! What happened to the savings? Where'd they go?
Plan? What plan, what day/hour?

[elmariachi]

Obama is just another idiot Senator who is unqualified to be ram-rodding this fast-track healthcare down our throats, much less running this country. Like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barny the Pickle Smoker, he is listening to his gaggle of junior-level MBAs and economists, who are advising him on all this ****. None of them have ever run a company or procured and maintained insurance for a group of employees, and most of what they say is lab-rat tested at best. The reason he is backing off is they are losing the "bull**** sells" battle amongst grass-roots voters. You can bet every Democratic election office in the US is getting slammed by people who voted this liar in and are now feeling screwed. I say bring on the Balanced Budget Amendment.

This isn't about premiums doubling (another lie) this is about trying to get everyone else to foot the bill for the 47 million without insurance. This administration wants to go down in history as socializing free healthcare and medicine, it suddenly isn't going their way, and they are now backing up faster than ole Stickum himself:


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[Dan40]

Just saw a new Democrap add for Health Care reform,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Except it explicitly said, "HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM!"

Does that mean that despite being 37th in the world, our health CARE is now OK? Its just our INSURANCE that needs to be reformed?

The insurance that for many, many decades, has been regulated, supervised, approved, and controlled by politicians, that insurance????????


Following the jinking and juking by this obamalama is a worse, AND BIGGER, job than the guy with the scooper that follows the elephants at parades.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Dan40

obamalama

Bring on the doo-wop chorus!!

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by VRM

Bring on the doo-wop chorus!!

You dint like his "posse?" The obamalumpas?

[cobra de capell]

Rep. Massa: I will vote against the interests of my district

MASSA: I will vote for the single payer bill.

PARTICIPANT: Even if it meant you were being voted out of office?

MASSA: I will vote adamantly against the interests of my district if I actually think what I am doing is going to be helpful.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblo...nterests-my-d/

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Rep. Massa: I will vote against the interests of my district

MASSA: I will vote for the single payer bill.

PARTICIPANT: Even if it meant you were being voted out of office?

MASSA: I will vote adamantly against the interests of my district if I actually think what I am doing is going to be helpful.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblo...nterests-my-d/

Rep Massa needs some book learnin',

rep·re·sen·ta·tive (rpr-znt-tv)
n.
1.. One that serves as a delegate or agent for another.
2. Authorized to act as an official delegate or agent.
3. Of or characteristic of government by representation.
4. Like or typical of others of the same class.

They are not "deciders", same as Bush wasn't. They are representavies of the electorate, not of a political party.

[cobra de capell]

Yes, it's a odd position for a 'representative' to take and re-election will be a *****.

[Dan40]

MEDICARE is the Governments health care system for seniors. MEDICARE has NO connection with Medicaid, which is a welfare system for the poor.
Medicare PRESENTLY covers 45 MILLION people. The most it has ever covered. Yet in its 4.4 decades of existence it has cost OVER a TRILLION dollars per decade. A full Gov. health care system will cover 330,000,000 people TODAY, plus illegals, another 5 to 30 million, who the hell knows?
About 7.5 TIMES the number Medicare covers now, and they CLAIM it will save money, AND IMPROVE our health care!!!
How can anyone be dumb enough to believe that and still have enough sense to breathe in and out?

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by Dan40

and they CLAIM it will save money

The great lie, "It will save money." Save versus what? Notice they never say , "The COST WILL GO DOWN. " They don't even say "THE COST WILL REMAIN THE SAME."

Show me one government-run entity or one government-subsidized entity that is healthy and profitable. Post Office? Broke. Social Security? Bankrupt. IRS? Can't collect what's owed. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Ha.

[cobra de capell]

CBS) CBS News has learned that up to 60,000 people have cancelled their AARP memberships since July 1, angered over the group's position on health care.

Elaine Guardiani has been with AARP for 14 years, and said, "I'm extremely disappointed in AARP."

Retired nurse Dale Anderson has 12 years with AARP and said, "I don't wanna be connected with AARP."

Many are switching to the American Seniors Association, a group that calls itself the conservative alternative as CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports.

Last week alone, they added more than 5,000 new members. Our camera was there Friday when the mail came.

Letters were filled with cut-up AARP cards.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...html?tag=stack

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

CBS) CBS News has learned that up to 60,000 people have cancelled their AARP memberships since July 1

Which explains why they vomited up this site:

http://www.healthactionnow.org/Default.aspx

Just a little more pushing and this thing is going to blow wide open.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

CBS) CBS News has learned that up to 60,000 people have cancelled their AARP memberships since July 1, angered over the group's position on health care.

Elaine Guardiani has been with AARP for 14 years, and said, "I'm extremely disappointed in AARP."

Retired nurse Dale Anderson has 12 years with AARP and said, "I don't wanna be connected with AARP."

Many are switching to the American Seniors Association, a group that calls itself the conservative alternative as CBS News Investigative Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports.

Last week alone, they added more than 5,000 new members. Our camera was there Friday when the mail came.

Letters were filled with cut-up AARP cards.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...html?tag=stack

" When cattle and women (and seniors) get restless , there is trouble brewing " This must be shaking AARP to it's roots.....lets see, down from 40,000,000 to 39, 940,000 with tens of thousands joining each month. They might have waited till there was a actual bill but I am sure they will be more comfortable in ASA. Context is important.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

" When cattle and women (and seniors) get restless , there is trouble brewing " This must be shaking AARP to it's roots.....lets see, down from 40,000,000 to 39, 940,000 with tens of thousands joining each month. They might have waited till there was a actual bill but I am sure they will be more comfortable in ASA. Context is important.

I'm thinking that the 60,000 is the tip of the iceburg - seniors tend to talk about this stuff, regularly and it's they are very unhappy campers at this point.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

I'm thinking that the 60,000 is the tip of the iceburg - seniors tend to talk about this stuff, regularly and it's they are very unhappy campers at this point.

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

Do you forget that people PAID into Soc. Sec. all their lives by law. And they have paid into Medicare since 65, again by law.
The SS and Medicare cards AND the funds that are 'supposed' to be behind those programs, BELONG to the people that paid into them.

You are willing to pay for an ILLEGAL freeloader, but want American Citizens to tear up cards they have EARNED and PAID into for years.

Is that the essence of lobotomized liberal logic or what?

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to recieve the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

So, what's 'Faux' about Fox News? You would do well to listen up - Fox is providing a fair and balanced view 24/7. Seniors are listening to Fox and talk radio with the points being made coming right from pending bills.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I can just see their red faces with the veins pulsing....I also suspect they get their information from Faux News and talk radio...I also suspect they will continue to take advantage of the AARP Lobby....now if they would tear up their Social Security and Medicare Cards and refuse to receive the benefits, I would really be impressed. The thing that really pisses me off about our "system" is that I have to pay for the freaking fat people...the smokers...the drunks and the dopers... I don't mind paying for kids even illegal ones....

It stilling takes reasoning to form an opinion, and to think people who have not paid into the program is more deserving than those who have paid their entire life is at best bassackwards.
And why stop at fat people,smokers,drunks and dopers? How about teens they are proportionately in more car accidents, then their is the evil motorcyclist, 90% sexually transmitted AIDS is male homosexuals, single parent homes produce more crime, poverty, very draining on our economy, and the elderly, a great deal is spent in the last couple years of life, whack those years off and save a bundle.

[cobra de capell]

Plus, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security - as well as the Post Office and Amtrak - are headed for bankruptcy - now, they (actually, we) want to take over all health care?

I'm thinking that there is a huge disconnect between voters and representatives.

Question - if the election were re-held today, even with McCain the only other choice, would Obama be re-elected POTUS?