Obamacare Meltdown

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Question - if the election were re-held today, even with McCain the only other choice, would Obama be re-elected POTUS?

In my opinion, yes. The Obama Administration have only begun to trip themselves up, there is more of this to come. Most of the really pissed people are all of us, not Democrats jumping the fence. Now let them keep on pissing on the elderly with this healthcare and the blue collars with the gutting of the industries that lean on labor unions etc etc and then you might see a shift. But the minorities and immigrants who voted for him are still happy because he's doin' battle to get 'em all their FEMA and DOC4FREE cards.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Question - if the election were re-held today, even with McCain the only other choice, would Obama be re-elected POTUS?

That's a really interesting question. I think the answer would still be yes, but by a smaller margin. Democrats did not elect Obama, and Republicans did not elect Bush. The independents who were sick of 8 years of Clinton elected Bush, and those same people elected Obama after 8 years of Bush.
Both parties will always have their base, but the voters in the middle who vote on issues will decide who wins. I don't think that those people have yet decided that a continuation of the policies of the Bush administration (by a guy who admitted that he didn't know much about economics) would be better than the poor decisions/policies of Obamas.

We will see in a couple of years.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

You could be right, but apparently independents are uphappy, as well as republicans and conservatives - he won by only 3-4 million - he'll be one-term for sure by the time 2012 rolls around. Reducing the unemployment rate without hiring primarily government workers is the key. He's really the liberal golden boy but he's not delivering to them - now, Shehan is set to protest him on vacation in Martha's Vineyard - that should be a kick for the locals (not).

[cobra de capell]

Abraham Lincoln famously said “government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” For our philosophically liberal leaders in government, “for the people” will suffice.

[cobra de capell]

This entire thread is about how people have conducted their lives over time - those that have made the right decisions, personally and professionally, have worked within the system should enjoy system benefits to the max. Those that have not contributed should be at the back of the line waiting for health care, etc. - but, they should in time get health care based on how much those that pay for it want to provide to them - it's welfare, at best.

Obama wants to equalize the playing field - everyone gets the same, regardless. That means that the 47 million people, including illegals, that have not contributed would join the system on an equal basis with those that have contributed for decades - that fact would slow down the entire delivery system and result in rationing - there are simply not sufficient family doctors to allow direct access to another 47 million people.

Any opinion that supports the Obama plan is nonsensical, at best and borders on insanity. Obama can't even get Democrats to support his plan in sufficient numbers to vote for his plan. If they do, most of them had better kiss their political career goodbye - Thanks God for small favors.

As an aside, whacking all liberals at birth would produce the greatest savings of all, not that that would be a good thing to do.

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Obama wants to equalize the playing field - everyone gets the same, regardless.

Not just Obama, every liberal that has ever held office. They have taken the words "equal opportunity" and contrived them to mean "equal entitlements." Because free enterprise in a capitalistic society won't give away healthcare, and because 47 million are now without, enter the US Government under liberal rule. Every time a liberal administration gets into office, the first thing they do is start spending money on social programs and expanding the footprint of "government." Its yet another attempt to reduce and EQUALIZE all of the hard working Americans to the lowest common denominator of the unemployed slob living a welfare mentality. And with that social equalization in place they get one step closer to a socialist regime. Now ask yourselves, how many idiot 20-somethings even understand all this enough to consider it when voting?

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Not just Obama, every liberal that has ever held office. They have taken the words "equal opportunity" and contrived them to mean "equal entitlements." Because free enterprise in a capitalistic society won't give away healthcare, and because 47 million are now without, enter the US Government under liberal rule. Every time a liberal administration gets into office, the first thing they do is start spending money on social programs and expanding the footprint of "government." Its yet another attempt to reduce and EQUALIZE all of the hard working Americans to the lowest common denominator of the unemployed slob living a welfare mentality. And with that social equalization in place they get one step closer to a socialist regime. Now ask yourselves, how many idiot 20-somethings even understand all this enough to consider it when voting?

Well yes, we should have started years ago.

[Excaliber]

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

I really hoped that you would stay off my thread, as I requested, but since you've posted, here's the same contribution that you made, no text just graphics this time....

Please assume your life long position in back of the truck.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

Its hard to argue against cold hard logic like that.

[cobra de capell]

THE HOPES OBAMACARE WOULD KILL

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08182009...ill_185126.htm

By Marc K. Siegel, a practicing internist, is an associate professor of medicine at NYU Langone Medical Center and a Fox News medical contributor.

Many of my seniors are now frightened by the prospect of long lines or frank denials, that doctors will be "treating them differently because they have already had more life years," as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, an Obama health-policy adviser, coolly recommended in a recent article.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

...http://www.nypost.com...... a Fox News medical contributor.

...nuff said :LOL

It the same broken record...over and over... very sad....pitiful actually.

Brings out the worst in people.

Not fun....can't continue.

[Jamo]

You girls are getting all b!tchy...wrap it up.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

You girls are getting all b!tchy...wrap it up.

But I guess as moderator you must be right... I sincerely hope no one took offense when none was intended....but I have to say as a black, lesbian postal worker I can't tell you how many nights I have cried myself to sleep because of the racist, sexest, homophobic posts I have seen in here that were deliberate attempt to sterotype and hurt anyone who isn't a rich, white, mean old SOB..

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

.but I have to say as a black, lesbian postal worker I can't tell you how many nights I have cried myself to sleep because of the racist, sexest, homophobic posts I have seen in here that were deliberate attempt to sterotype and hurt anyone who isn't a rich, white, mean old SOB..

Geez.....Just don't go postal on us.

[Jamo]

"...as a black, lesbian postal worker..."

Any private videos?

[Excaliber]

Yup, that picture sum's up what most of you have to say all right, thanks for posting that CDC.

[Jamo]

Okey dokey then...I think everyone's had an opportunity for a final kick in the nuts to someone else.

...and we will expect that there won't be any need for personal jabs on any other thread for a good period.