NASCAR to fuel injection?

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by fsstnotch

It's about damn time!

BRISTOL, Tenn. -- NASCAR is researching the possibility of moving from engines with carburetors to fuel injection.

1)Officials met with top engine builders from organizations earlier this month to discuss the move of that technology and others that would make cars more fuel efficient and more like cars on the manufacturer showroom floor.

2)Manufacturers switched fully from carburetors to fuel injection in the 1980s.

3)No timetable has been set for when fuel injection could be used, but Toyotas Lee White said his company could be ready to go by the 2010 opener at Daytona if NASCAR gave the go-ahead.

4)"I would vote for it," White said on Friday at Bristol Motor Speedway. "No question, because everyone right now is spending an absolute fortune on [carburetor technology] that has absolute zero application in real life."

5)White said all manufacturers need to be more conscious about the environment to survive, and he believes NASCAR needs to move more in that direction.

6)"Sit in the grandstands and watch these cars go into Turns 1 and Turns 3 and watch all the fuel belching out the tailpipe," he said.

White said the transition could be made easily and without great expense.

7)"Its something that could be implemented along with a few other things that could be discussed that could potentially reduce costs and increase the potential audience for the sport," he said.

1)"More like the cars on the showroom floor"?What planet is he on?
2)Detroit was about 10 years behind the curve on that one.
3)Does anyone think the other makes are going to let Toyota run a "wrung-out" FI system while they are still on carbs?
4)Like NASCAR has a "real life application".THis comment is absurd at best.
5)If NASBORE is looking to FI to save it's "bacon"-it's already too late.
6)So what?
7)Again,if they are looking at FI to increase audience share,they are really screwed.

A computer run fuel management system is a "Pandora's box".

[Don]

But, there still is a following, one example being tonight @ Bristol. 160,000 fans at a high banked 1/2 mile track, sold out for the 56th consecutive time. Granted, every track is not a sell out and Bristol has it's own mystique. I doubt those attending really care if the engine has FI or a carb or the cars all look the same. Nothing like short track racing on a Saturday night under the lights, with Mark Martin having the pole, 15.414 seconds @ 124.484 MPH

http://www.bristolmotorspeedway.com/

[Ronbo]

I'm not sure who Detroit was 10 yrs. behind.

GM offered FI on the vette starting in 1964. Later it was brought back in 1982 (cross fire). The Japanese and German cars as well as Italian and English all went FI right around the same time to meet emission and mileage requirements.

I don't see where clinging to obsolete induction systems somehow benefits the sport.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Ronbo

1)I'm not sure who Detroit was 10 yrs. behind.

2)GM offered FI on the vette starting in 1964. 3)Later it was brought back in 1982 (cross fire). 4)The Japanese and German cars as well as Italian and English all went FI right around the same time to meet emission and mileage requirements.

5)I don't see where clinging to obsolete induction systems somehow benefits the sport.

1)Everyone
2)And it was a 100% COMPLETE joke..Confirmed by GM's switch back to Q-jets.
3)"Mis-fire"?The laughing stock of fuel management systems.With the exception of the late 50's-early 60's mechanical FI,"Cross-fire"was THE worst FI system EVER designed.
4)Sorry,the Z-car had a Bosch FI system on it in 1975.
5)And changing to FI is going to help them-how?

[Ronbo]

Not so much a joke as having the same flaw carbs did, it was mechanical.

Since sacrificing half the passenger compartment for the vacum tube computer management system in 1964 proved unpopular and expensive it was unable to self-adjust. Not much different than the high maintenance multi carb systems that people still try to convince themselves are better.

The "mis-fire" while poorly received, was actually quite good if you could find someone who had the ability to set it up correctly. The dealer mechanics were 99.9% of the problem with this system, unlike today's where the mechanic only has to read the blinks from the check engine light and know what the sensor looks like.

LSI integrated circuits didn't come along till the mid 80's so the electronics just wasn't there to make it cost effective (or much more efficient). The Bosch system, being from '75 would at best have had rudementary fuel management.

Detroit also offered four wheel disc brakes on the vette starting 1963, the Z finally offered them in when? Around 1985 or so? Camero and Firebird also had the option starting 1976. Ford finally got around to it around the same year (Lincoln mkIII).

But we've been down this path before...

[fostereast]

I thought this was first offered in 1957.

Originally Posted by Ronbo

I'm not sure who Detroit was 10 yrs. behind.

GM offered FI on the vette starting in 1964. Later it was brought back in 1982 (cross fire). The Japanese and German cars as well as Italian and English all went FI right around the same time to meet emission and mileage requirements.

I don't see where clinging to obsolete induction systems somehow benefits the sport.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by fostereast

I thought this was first offered in 1957.

You are correct.57 only.'Cause it was a disaster.