What a SURPRISE!

[Excaliber]

Subsidizing is called "taxes" and yeah I think it needs to be done fairly. The question then is, "What is fair?" I've heard some estimates that suggest a person with a taxable income of $450K a year will see an increase of a $1,000 a year. About 70 or 80 a month? I think that's reasonable myself, to help, as Leona Hemsley called them, the "little people".

I think the primary aspect of this thread may be: A public option health care plan will make it impossible for a private/for profit health care plan to compete in the market. Therefore, the only viable option will be a Government administered, backed, run, setup (pick one or more) plan that would drive the independants out of business. Hog wash say I! Those private plans will flourish with folks that can afford them. Those plans that can't cut the mustard will go away.

While I'm fundamentally opposed to "more Government" it's clear that we have to have more over sight of key Big Business shops. Wall Street cannot regulate itself based on an honor system, nor can any big business. Government intervention/control was/is warranted in the current economic conditions for many of these institutions.

I'll grant you this, it couldn't be a worse time to push for a health care program, what with the deficit and all that. We should wait until 2016 or so when Social Security goes bankrupt and then try it again when were really really broke!

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

While I'm fundamentally opposed to "more Government" it's clear that we have to have more over sight of key Big Business shops. Wall Street cannot regulate itself based on an honor system, nor can any big business. Government intervention/control was/is warranted in the current economic conditions for many of these institutions.

Ernie,
There is a huge difference between regulation (even oppressive regulation) of businesses, and government actually BEING the business. I do not trust businesses regulating themselves, and government being in business would be exactly the same thing.

Steve

[bomelia]

Earnie, you are one scary guy. I never thought I would be hearing stuff like this said out loud and with so much confidence.

Earnie, you go take care of you, and I will go take care me and mine. And stay out of my effing pockets.

As for me, I intend to oppose anything that does not deal with tort reform and insurance deregulation (cross border competition).

OMG.

We may all be screwed now.

Mike

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Subsidizing is called "taxes" and yeah I think it needs to be done fairly. The question then is, "What is fair?" I've heard some estimates that suggest a person with a taxable income of $450K a year will see an increase of a $1,000 a year. About 70 or 80 a month? I think that's reasonable myself, to help, as Leona Hemsley called them, the "little people".

I think the primary aspect of this thread may be: A public option health care plan will make it impossible for a private/for profit health care plan to compete in the market. Therefore, the only viable option will be a Government administered, backed, run, setup (pick one or more) plan that would drive the independants out of business. Hog wash say I! Those private plans will flourish with folks that can afford them. Those plans that can't cut the mustard will go away.

While I'm fundamentally opposed to "more Government" it's clear that we have to have more over sight of key Big Business shops. Wall Street cannot regulate itself based on an honor system, nor can any big business. Government intervention/control was/is warranted in the current economic conditions for many of these institutions.

I'll grant you this, it couldn't be a worse time to push for a health care program, what with the deficit and all that. We should wait until 2016 or so when Social Security goes bankrupt and then try it again when were really really broke!

[bomelia]

BTW, you all know what the problem with folks who live in Shangrala type places (Hawaii, California, etc) is that its too DAMN expensive to live there for many of them. Rather than move to a place of lower costs, people insist the the government should help them. And they do! Because who wants to lose voters?

The reason our free market system does not work is because we do not have one anymore. And after this? It will be all but dead. The good news it that with its death, the Government will soon run out of money to steal. And maybe, just maybe, smarter folks than politicians will finally restore sanity.

Keep on reading Atlas Shrugged Earnie, maybe some of it will sink in. Have you ever read it?

Doubt it.

Mike