Kennedy Dies

[Ron61]

I liked Ted the least of any of the family, but I do not like to see anyone with any type of bad disease suffer. He was not any good so far as I am concerned, but I do feel for the family.

That said, I never realized what a great hero he was until I started hearing all of the news and talking heads on TV rave about the Greatest Senator ever and so forth. Personally I am happy he is out of the Senate, but would have preferred that he had been voted out just as I would like to see the whole mess back there kicked out.

Ron

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Cobrabill, your daming cut and paste of Kennedy history becomes clear with this single passage:



You couldn't just state your opinion that you didn't like the guy and let it go at that. You had to turn his death into a political soap box for the radical right wingnuts. I didn't particularly care for Kennedys politics. But such a rant as you posted I find utterly disgusting.

There is much to celebrate about the man's life. But the choice by many here to dwell on the darkest most negative aspects at a time of National mourning is very revealing of the nature of wingnuts. Common deceny would suggest you wait until at least after the burial!

As usual,your post is devoid of "fact".I spent the first 26 years of my life 90 miles from Boston.Spent my summers on the "Cape" as well.I am more than qualified to comment on the biggest darkest cloud to EVER hang over American politicsThe whole Kennedy clan is garbage.The whole friggin lot of them from the old man all the way down to Ted and below(i know what you're thinking-no-one is lower than Ted)

You want to celebrate the life of a man who did more damage to our country than Adolf Hitler?Go ahead.
Common decency?Why don't you look up Mary Jo Kopechne's family and lay that line on them.
I've "MF'd" Ted Kennedy my whole life-tell me why i should stop now?

The fact that the article pissed you off confirms how "on target"it is.

[Jamo]

Okey dokey...as we've reminded folks numerous times, long cut/pastes are not favored here for a variety of operational reasons. Next time we'll just delete it. Use links.

Secondly...let's cut back on the personal commentary.

[Cobrabill]

Woulda used a linky,but it came to me as posted.

[Jamo]

OK...thanks.

[Excaliber]

...no wonder the Republicans lost the election, it appears the majority of party members, at least here if not across the country, are completely out of touch with basic main stream Amercian values. How's that "rebuilding the party" thing working out for you? Without a fundamental CHANGE of attitude, you have no HOPE of building anything. You cannot build a successful business based on negative values and negative campaigning. Just trying to help.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Kennedy was a polarizing individual, so me thinks everyone's opinion of him is valid...whether you dance or grieve on his grave.

You could say the same about Hitler.

Years ago, I had a patient (couple) who was (were) genuine nazis. Born and raised in germany in mid-late 20's. Interesting conversation.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

...no wonder the Republicans lost the election, it appears the majority of party members, at least here if not across the country, are completely out of touch with basic main stream Amercian values. How's that "rebuilding the party" thing working out for you? Without a fundamental CHANGE of attitude, you have no HOPE of building anything. You cannot build a successful business based on negative values and negative campaigning. Just trying to help.

I kind of think most people believe politicians in general are completely out of touch. There are alot more republicans that have built a successful business than democrats, at the very least, the vast majority of business owners I know are republican.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Anthony

1)You could say the same about Hitler.

Years ago, I had a patient (couple) who was (were) genuine nazis. Born and raised in germany in mid-late 20's. 2) Interesting conversation.

1)I don't know.About the only thing i can find positive about ol'Dolfy,is he pulled Germany out of financial ruin.That's it.

2)I'll bet it was.

Not even the Catholics liked him:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/D...aspx?id=661712

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

1)I don't know.About the only thing i can find positive about ol'Dolfy,is he pulled Germany out of financial ruin.That's it.

Do you think Ted has helped our economy?

Hitler was a great speaker, at least that is what I have heard/read. I've heard some of his speaches, but can't understand them, as I don;t speak german.

[cobra de capell]

Teacher and Administrator, she is most remembered for her controversial death in an automobile accident with Senator Edward Kennedy; the resulting political scandal caused Kennedy to reverse his decision to run for the US Presidency. Born in Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, she was the only child of insurance salesman Joseph and Gwen Kopechne. After graduating from Caldwell College, New Jersey, she taught at Montgomery Catholic High School in Montgomery, Alabama, and then moved to Washington DC to work as a secretary for Florida Senator George Smathers. Shortly afterwards, she went to work as a secretary for New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy following his election in 1964. After Senator Robert F. Kennedy's death in 1968, she moved to Matt Reese Associates, a Washington DC firm that helped politicians establish campaign headquarters, and it was there she met Senator Edward Kennedy, Robert Kennedy's younger brother.

August 28, 2009

"Edward Klein, speaking to WAMU guest host Katty Kay, said one of Kennedy's 'favorite topics of humor was, indeed, Chappaquiddick.'

"He would ask people, 'Have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?' said Klein, a former Newsweek foreign editor and former editor in chief of the New York Times Magazine."

YouTube video: Kennedy liked to joke about Chappaquiddick?

"This isn't an accusation from Ted Kennedy's political opponents, but a nostalgic remembrance by one of his friends. Ed Klein, former Newsweek editor, tells the Diane Rehm Show:

"I dont know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick? That is just the most amazing thing. Its not that he didnt feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaiTipTtbak

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Anthony

1)Do you think Ted has helped our economy?

2)Hitler was a great speaker, at least that is what I have heard/read. I've heard some of his speaches, but can't understand them, as I don;t speak german.

1)No-hence my reference to AH.
2)AH was one of the greatest orators in history.Having said that,this topic is starting to take a turn off subject.Let's get it back on track.This will help:

[cobra de capell]

Mark Steyn is a genius.

As Teddy's biographer Adam Clymer wrote, Edward Kennedy's "achievements as a senator have towered over his time, changing the lives of far more Americans than remember the name Mary Jo Kopechne."

You can't make an omelet without breaking chicks, right? I don't know how many lives the senator changed – he certainly changed Mary Jo's – but you're struck less by the precise arithmetic than by the basic equation: How many changed lives justify leaving a human being struggling for breath for up to five hours pressed up against the window in a small, shrinking air pocket in Teddy's Oldsmobile? If the senator had managed to change the lives of even more Americans, would it have been OK to leave a couple more broads down there? Hey, why not? At the Huffington Post, Melissa Lafsky mused on what Mary Jo "would have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history … Who knows – maybe she'd feel it was worth it." What true-believing liberal lass wouldn't be honored to be dispatched by that death panel?

[cobra de capell]

From the web.....

As Mark Steyn alludes to, anyone could make a mistake, have a lapse in judgement, even make a serious enough one to get someone killed.

Anyone.

To have bad judgement of any kind resulting in harm to others can happen at any time. You a little too fast down a residential street and a kid steps out from behind a parked car, or whatever. The circumstances of those events have to be borne and lived with no matter who you are.

But what illustrates the quality of people is how they live their lives from that moment when confronted with the truth and consequences of their poor judgement.

As he lay panting on the bank after saving his own physical skin from the icy waters of Poucha Pond in Chappaquiddick, he IMMEDIATELY began to figure out how to save his personal and political skin.

He lay there in the sand, thinking of who he could call to help him, frantically wondering how he would get out of this trap, searching for ways how he could avoid the shame and scandal of a famous married politician with alcohol on his breath and a dead unmarried woman in his car on a deserted road.

As he lay there on his back in the sand, there was a 29 year old woman, her clothes plastered to her body in the pitch black, underwater with her face in an air pocket, and she could not figure out how to get out.

She probably thought “He will save me. He will swim down and open the door and pull me out. Or he will get help. If I stay here and wait, he will come.”

And that is wha makes his “ugliest single moment from the late senator’s 77 years on Earth” at Chappaquiddick (as a liberal columnist recently said) such a heinous one is his behavior following the accident.

How instead of putting her LIFE first, he schemed, juggled, obfuscated, hedged, delayed and used every social and political scheme and resource at his disposal to save his reputation, even the wearing of the neck brace.

Liberals want to redefine everything so that reality is packaged in terms, phrases and definitions that make the reality so much more flexible and explainable.

It is why they call “abortion” choice.

It is why they call “discrimination” Affirmative Action.

It is why they call “Terrorists” insurgents or Freedom Fighters.

It is why they now call acts of terrorism “man-caused disasters”.

And it is why they have always called the death of 29 year old Mary Jo Kopechne a “tragedy for the Kennedys”.

And how Ted Kennedy dealt with that tells you all you need to know about him.

[Silverback51]

Regardless whether you liked him or not, he had a family that loved him. Respect for his family should be shown.

My wife just lost her father a little over a week ago. If someone came up and said they were glad he was dead, I would beat the f*cking sh*t out of them.

CDC. Why don't you just drop this political BS. It's getting f*cking old.

[Cobrabill]

Are you asking CDC to not post political comments on a topic about Ted Kennedy?

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Respect for his family should be shown.

Screw the whole family.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by 392cobra

Screw the whole family.

X2

On the bright side,MJK single-handedly kept the drunk out of the WH.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Years ago, I had a patient (couple) who was (were) genuine nazis. Born and raised in germany in mid-late 20's. Interesting conversation.

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

I'll bet it was.

It was kind of like being in the "twilight Zone" . I often talk to my patients about any significant past, and in their case, living in/through germany during those times. After I encouraged them to talk alittle, they made various remarks about how the US Government spread alot more propaganda than did Germany, the russian invasion was barbaric, raping german civilians, etc., which I knew already, and how great AH was in running their country, and how terrible everybody else was.

My jaw dropped. I was speechless. There was nothing more to say. They were genuine nazi's. Unbelievable.

[Cobrabill]

Twilight Zone indeed.That woulda made Rod Serling look like a rookie.