Atty Genrl Ashcroft SUED!

[map]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Easy to just kill 'em all, but that will never "win" the war, just the opposite effect will be rendered.

Lets see WWII we leveled half of Germany and nuked Japan that ended things in a hurry if I remember correctly!
Are the Germany & Japs still pissed off at us?

Now we fight politically correct wars and count body bags OOP's I almost forgot the TAX PAYER FUNDED resort on a island and treat the guests with white gloves and proper diet.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

map, all of them? Sort 'em later? That works fairly well for me in "Call of Duty", the game, not so much on a real battle field.

Afghanistan comes to mind in that regard. The military is constantly weighing the civilian factor in determining when, where to strike. Easy to just kill 'em all, but that will never "win" the war, just the opposite effect will be rendered.

You are so incredibly and sadly brainwashed. You believe that when obama walks into your house and takes all that you have, it will be for the 'Good of the Nation!"

[cobra de capell]

Over-react? Is that possible?

[Excaliber]

Amazing that you guys could be so bone headed as to seriously suggest we go to "nuke" status within the current conflicts.

,,,nah, they can't be serious, just more of the same hyperbole, (I hope).

[map]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Amazing that you guys could be so bone headed as to seriously suggest we go to "nuke" status within the current conflicts.

That's the best way to get the savage rat bastards in the tunnels!

Afghanistan mountains would look nice in shiny green glass at sun rise....

You better hope the savages never get there hands on a nuke and walk across our southern border and hit the buttons near you!
If you survive We'll see how fast you change your mind.

[Excaliber]

Whew, you make Cheney look like a wimp!

[cobra de capell]

Nuke's should be on the table. Perhaps just a small one would get the attention of those that would do us harm.

[Excaliber]

Perhaps, I couldn't rule it out. Something like a "bunker buster" type application maybe.

[Fordzilla]

Originally Posted by map

The only thing these savages understand is brute force and I think it's way over due!

I agree! (I wish there was a clapping hands icon to post here)

[427sharpe]

Just another sign of the rot that is eating the heart out of this country. Apologize for victory; go to war, but lets not hurt anybody....
Bullsh**. If we are to lose men and treasure in conflict, fight it decisively and to, as Mr Roosevelt said in 1941, to absolute victory no matter the cost. The Japanese were traeted far more humanely than the men at Bataan, Corregidor, and countless islands in between during the war. The left has taken the approach that all America does is evil, and is to blame even when she acts in self defense. Even members of the BHO administration believe that our government attacked the towers on 9-11. Despicable. Is it any wonder that a Teddy Kennedy is their poster child??

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...kennedy_i.html

[map]

Kennedy should have been tried for treason after the KGB back door deal!

Where are the patriotic Democrats? I was listening to Pat (Democratic strategist) Kadell the other day and he's asking the same question.

[Dan40]

WAR, only gives 2 choices. Fight it to win, or fight it to lose. In Vietnam, the military WON every battle. The politicians lost the war.
Iraq, Afghanistan, and 'the "former" war on terror,' are going to go the same way. UNTIL the cave dwellers find a way to kill MILLIONS of us. Then there will not be enough stupid leftists to keep us from killing all the terrorists. And 'collateral damage' will be just too bad!

[427sharpe]

I think you are correct, Dan. But somehow, the left wing teeth gnashers and other America apologists will make it America's fault. I can see the Michael Moore film now: America: We Deserved It!

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 427sharpe

I think you are correct, Dan. But somehow, the left wing teeth gnashers and other America apologists will make it America's fault. I can see the Michael Moore film now: America: We Deserved It!

Honestly, I'm surprised he hasn't done that yet.

[cobra de capell]

As an aside,

VENICE (Reuters) - Capitalism is evil. That is the conclusion of U.S. documentary maker Michael Moore's latest movie "Capitalism: A Love Story," which premieres at the Venice film festival on Sunday. Blending his trademark humour with tragic individual stories, archive footage and publicity stunts, the 55-year-old launches an attack on the capitalist system, arguing that it benefits the rich and condemns millions to poverty.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5850FD20090906

Of course, the film was developed through Capitalism.

“Capitalism is the worst system of government ever created. Except for all the others”. Can’t remember who stated this.

[Dan40]

Only in America could a slug like Moore make millions biting the hand that protects him. If he has kept more money than the amount that would keep him just above poverty level [and you can go 'all in' that he HAS] then he is dishonest in his life and work.

[map]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Only in America could a slug like Moore make millions biting the hand that protects him. If he has kept more money than the amount that would keep him just above poverty level [and you can go 'all in' that he HAS] then he is dishonest in his life and work.

He doesn't talk much about all his Halliburton stock!

[big-boss]

It is so easy for us to sit back and second guess what is written in history, die sect decisions others made in their line of duty. Chaney and the boys did right for their circumstances. The WWII Japanese camps were right for the current issues at the time.

To go back and re hash is not the issue-power is the issue. I just finished reading “Rules for Radicals” again. Obama is going right from the book nothing complicated. The only reason why he will fail to change the USA to their liking is timing. They are eight years too late- they really had this all set up for when Gore was to be president and it still was not too late for Kerry, too late now. America has become smarter and even more conservative in the last eight years and we are down but not anymore complacent. Never would have had these town halls’ or this tea-party stuff eight or even four years ago- we were all still fat, dumb and happy. But not now- blood will probably be shed at this time.

A Radicals’ purpose is always changing the “status quo” that is his reason for being- He needs power to do that- he got it!, very simple (in the book). Americans are basically conservative- read the Declaration of Independence, Constitution. We really do not like change for change- we like improvement! The change being offered is far from improvement anybody can see it-therefore they will fail but before they accept failure they will get very brutal- which you can already see.

These punitive actions are simply there beginning of being brutal. If they really cared about doing the right thing- they would stop interrogation-not bring it under the control of the WH. If the wars were so bad- bring the boys home. If you really wanted everybody to have health insurance-make the insurance premiums tax deductible. Poor people already have health care. Pretty damn simple.

Thanks for allowing me to vent. I am one of those who are not so “fat, dumb and happy” anymore. I am lean, mean and pissed off!

[Excaliber]

We should learn from history. Circumstances should not drive your decisions. Principles, ethics, moral decisions need to be grounded on something else. So you DON'T screw up when compelling circumstances arise and your left wondering what to do.

[cobra de capell]

Which is considered more grievous: decapitating innocents (Al Qaeda) or humiliating-threatening someone (Bush Administration)?

Humiliating-threatening someone is all that really happened at the Bush Administration level. Was it morally or ethically wrong to do so in order to save American lives?

For a fact, what we did was not against my moral or ethics compass and that action should have been taken, given the goal to save American lives, regardless of the circumstances. The results speak for themselves.