Obama Speaks, Pelosi Winces

[SPF2245]

Cobra Bill, I read the bill (careful about calling people incapable, you might find many ARE capable and willing to call this plan expensive to the majority of the US)...it is what many here have been saying for a long time...a sham. My insurance costs WILL go up, I will not see an improvement in my coverage (my employer has already said they will stop paying the cost of insurance and opt for the 8% tax to the Gov't, by reading the bill, I'm now liable for the differance for my same "gold plate coverage") and to add insult to injury...even my deductables go up 100%! Yeah buddy, Joe Wilson may have been out of line, but he was only speaking the truth.

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by SPF2245

Cobra Bill, I read the bill (careful about calling people incapable, you might find many ARE capable and willing to call a lie, a lie)...it is what many here have been saying for a long time...a lie. My insurance costs WILL go up, I will not see an improvement in my coverage (my employer has already said they will stop paying the cost of insurance and opt for the 8% tax to the Gov't) and to add insult to injury...even my deductables go up 100%! Yeah buddy, Joe Wilson may have been out of line, but he was only speaking the truth.

I find that hard to believe, especially when it's not in the bill. As for your insurance, it has no doubt gone up by at least 30% over the last 3 years, and you really expect it to stop? even if we did as you all seem to think we should, and that is nothing at all, do you really think that would change?
they got you by the balls and they know it! and you are dumb enough to even go to bat for them, they must be laughing all the way to the bank!

[bomelia]

Health Care Reform = Tort Reform + Cross Border Insurance Competition - Fraud - Illegal Aliens

Got who by the balls? You?

[bomelia]

Here is a simple question.

How will forcing insurance companies to take folks with pre-existing conditions NOT cause rates to go up???

Mike

[SPF2245]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Here is a simple question.

How will forcing insurance companies to take folks with pre-existing conditions NOT cause rates to go up???

Mike

You can't, it doesn't add up. This plan can work for the US, but at a cost that will cripple a nation. But hey, I'm just a person incapable of understanding how everyone can be covered under a plan at no increase to me, however, if I read the bill...it clearly tells me I will pay more! God I love people who can defend lies.

[bomelia]

Well actually, I was hoping Cobra Bill would answer that question. Apparently he is busy locating a New Math book that will answer it his way. Or, "if we the people want it, then so shall the math be changed to support it"

Lunacy.

Mike

[Dan40]

Insure 47 million uninsured, costs go up.
Force pre-existing conditions coverage, costs go up.
Eliminate benefit caps, costs go up.
That means cost go up OVER AND ABOVE whatever amount they would 'normally' go up.
Obullcrapa said the 'public option' was only for the uninsured. And that they guestimated that ONLY 5% would choose the public option. 5% of 330 million is 16,500,000. What are the rest of the supposed 47 million going to do?
Fuzzy math. [AKA LIES!!!!!]
He said the plan would only cost 900 billion [lie], he said 500 billion could be found in Medicare and Medicaid fraud and waste [lie] It might be there but no one has been able to find it in over 30 years of looking. And if the 500 billion is true, wouldn't stopping that 'fraud and waste' reduce health care costs by half a TRILLION dollars RIGHT NOW? Would that not be the logical first step? No legislation needed, the laws have long been on the books, complete, 100% bi-partisan agreement no new Gov't. Bureaucracy needed. Pure plus.