Guv forces u 2 buy Insurance

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It is a crisis now, it has been a crisis for years. It is an emergency now and growing ever larger by the month with people getting laid off, denied coverage, dieing because they can't get coverage. We need to take action now.

If all of this is so, why is the plan to put it into effect after the 2012 elections ? In 2013.

[Excaliber]

It's not a matter of "asking" you to pay. That's like "asking" if you want to pay taxes. If a bill is passed and there is a sliding fee or scale for payment required of the citizens then you have a choice. Pay or move.

That why it's called a Democracy, not communism. Hope that helps you to see the difference.

[BeanCounter]

Ernie,

How many times do we have to tell you. It's not a democracy, it's a republic.

And they call it democracy in Iran too. I saw a picture of an old Viet Nam vet with a sign that you might take to heart. It said "Shove it down our throats in 2009 and we'll stick it up your ass in 2010". Only 41% are for national health care according to the latest reliable polls. That doesn't sound like democracy to me so why don't you just tone it down. You're in the wrong and you know it but you just keep blowing on.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It's not a matter of "asking" you to pay. That's like "asking" if you want to pay taxes. If a bill is passed and there is a sliding fee or scale for payment required of the citizens then you have a choice. Pay or move.

That why it's called a Democracy, not communism. Hope that helps you to see the difference.

Taxes are to fund the function of the Government. Taking care of those who will not or can not take care of themselves is NOT a function of the Government. As I have often said, liberal Utopian dreams are beautiful, and they believe that the Governments function IS taking care of all its citizens. The only problems with the liberal Utopian dreams is that they do not work, have never worked, and never will work. That, and they CANNOT be funded, even with today's imaginary Dollars.
While you liberals dream of a perfect society, the operative word is "DREAM" as in 'pipe dream'. The old rule applicable to all animals, including the human animal, is the strong survive, the weak perish. That will not change.

[Excaliber]

I would very much prefer you guys to make your comments without addressing ME specifically. If you think the country is doomed or experiencing a rapid decline into Marxism, just say so. If I have a counter point, I'll post it. It is appropriate at times to make a specific comment, question directed at myself or another. But don't feel "compelled" (as in having a complex) to address a member with every post.

You don't need to address those comments to me, just post 'em.

The Government, the people, determined a LONG time ago we have a responsibility to those that less fortunate. That's why we have a variety of social programs to help them.

The Vietnam vet with the sign? He's an A hole with an attitude.

[BeanCounter]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

The Vietnam vet with the sign? He's an A hole with an attitude.

And so now you see how the conservatives and independents view you.

[Excaliber]

Yes Bernie, your an A hole as well (capital A, no smiley).

[Jamo]

Bernie...you had that coming.

Take it outside if anything further needs to be said.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I would very much prefer you guys to make your comments without addressing ME specifically. If you think the country is doomed or experiencing a rapid decline into Marxism, just say so. If I have a counter point, I'll post it. It is appropriate at times to make a specific comment, question directed at myself or another. But don't feel "compelled" (as in having a complex) to address a member with every post.

You don't need to address those comments to me, just post 'em.

The Government, the people, determined a LONG time ago we have a responsibility to those that less fortunate. That's why we have a variety of social programs to help them.

The Vietnam vet with the sign? He's an A hole with an attitude.

Would those 'social programs' be like the health care social program that 2 out of 3 AMERICANS do not want? We want to slow the rising cost of heath care, not create health welfare!

[Excaliber]

The people do have a voice in the matter and it is being heard, loud and clear. Thats why the various proposed Health Bills are being aggressively discussed. Is this a great country or what?

Myself, 2 out 3 people WITH good health care does not justify leaving the 1 out 3 people who have none.

Step one: Crack down on insurance companies that seek out any missed dotted i or crossed t in order to drop coverage JUST BEFORE a scheduled surgery. To address that issue, lets take a hard look at the pre-exisiting condition clause(s).

What those 2 out 3 people may not realize is that THEIR coverage may well fail to provide for them when they need it most. We have many many examples of this, a false sense of security when it comes to having medical coverage.

[BeanCounter]

Jamo,

Now have I ever denied being an asshole at times.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

The people do have a voice in the matter and it is being heard, loud and clear. Thats why the various proposed Health Bills are being aggressively discussed. Is this a great country or what?

Myself, 2 out 3 people WITH good health care does not justify leaving the 1 out 3 people who have none.

Step one: Crack down on insurance companies that seek out any missed dotted i or crossed t in order to drop coverage JUST BEFORE a scheduled surgery. To address that issue, lets take a hard look at the pre-exisiting condition clause(s).

What those 2 out 3 people may not realize is that THEIR coverage may well fail to provide for them when they need it most. We have many many examples of this, a false sense of security when it comes to having medical coverage.

Ahh I see now, the 2 out of 3 people that don't want anything to do with any of the liberal TOTAL OVERHAUL health INSURANCE bills are stupid. I should have realized that liberals are all wise and conservatives and independents must pitied for their ignorance and inability to grasp the true meaning of life as any rudimentary liberal can do.

FYI, Social Programs come from politicians all consuming desire for re-election. There is NO altruistic motive, no moral imperative, no ultimate wisdom, social programs are simply an appeal to the absolute worst element of our society in order to secure [BUY] re-elections. The programs are expensive and do not work. They destroy pride, self esteem, and ambition in the very people that need those things the most. We have poured TRILLIONS into help for the poor in the last 50 years. THEY ARE STILL POOR! And 99.9999% of them always will be poor!

[Excaliber]

Indeed, the poor will always be with us. We need to do what we can, with reasoning and logic to address that issue when and where we can.

I disagree this noble endeavor is based solely on political gains. It is what fundamentally make's America so great and has been demonstrated over and over while parties in power have come and gone.