Voltage regulator on 289 LUCAS or AUTOLITE

[ALF]

Originally Posted by LMH

Search around here and you'll find a harness set for "MKII 289 Cobra".
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Larry

Hi Larry
Many thanks for this link
From a price point of view the harness from Auto-Sparks looks more interesting to me.
http://www.autosparks.co.uk/product

[ALF]

Hi Dan
MANY THANKS for this great list.

On my 289 (with cut back doors) I’ve a street version dash and SW instruments. Based on this I’ll investigate for the Ford/Autolite related parts and not focus on the Lucas items. (on the items which got changed after CSX2201)

Could you tell me if only the FIA cars had the wiring harness on the interior passing below the door or was this on all race cars?
As I will not reinstall the carpet on my car I’m still looking around to find the best matching setup/ installation.

Alf

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by ALF

Hi Dan
MANY THANKS for this great list.

On my 289 (with cut back doors) I’ve a street version dash and SW instruments. Based on this I’ll investigate for the Ford/Autolite related parts and not focus on the Lucas items. (on the items which got changed after CSX2201)

Could you tell me if only the FIA cars had the wiring harness on the interior passing below the door or was this on all race cars?
As I will not reinstall the carpet on my car I’m still looking around to find the best matching setup/ installation.

Alf

CSX2201 and later street cars: The wiring for the rear of the chassis exits the fire wall, runs down the driver’s side foot box at an angle adjacent to the transmission and the back along the main frame rail.

All race cars; that is a big broad subject. When CSX2002 was first raced by SAI is was very nearly a stock Cobra except for the roll bar, lack of mufflers, ignition system, and spark plugs. Every SAI race and racer from them on morphed to a more purpose built racer than sports car going racing on the weekend. Early team cars looks like they have stock electrical systems with subsystems added like electric fuel pumps or night driving lights for example. By early 1964 when the cut back door racers were being finished racers had few pure street ancillary features anymore. The cut back door race cars got custom wiring, i.e. each car was individually wired depending on the variables at the time and the wishes of the people completing them. The custom wiring in these race cars did not always follow the same paths as street cars. I don’t know of any one car pictured anywhere from all angles at any time. Race car wise wiring changed as the cars changed race to race and in some cases season to season. Example: Cars raced in night time events would gain marker lights and in later pictures the lights would be removed. No race car exists now as it did day one so looking today won’t tell you what it was like new in 1964. Dave Friedman’s (spelling?) images in various period magazines, books, and the various websites now hosting collections are the best sources for 1964 time frame images. Even with all these resources today one would just have to put some wiring wherever they wanted that seemed logical as in: race car, 1964, where should I run the wiring to keep it as safe as possible from all the bad things that happen while racing and or make it easy to repair if something does happen.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by ALF

Hi Larry
Many thanks for this link
From a price point of view the harness from Auto-Sparks looks more interesting to me.
http://www.autosparks.co.uk/product

Definitely from a price point. It all boils down to how accurate do you want to be. The Autolite harness bits are the hard ones to replicate. Molded ends are expensive and pieces like the three plugs that pass through the firewall make it high dollar. It took me months to find the correct alternator plug!
Of course, right after I found one, two showed up on eBay! ( I had to buy them too!)
Larry

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by LMH

Definitely from a price point. It all boils down to how accurate do you want to be. The Autolite harness bits are the hard ones to replicate. Molded ends are expensive and pieces like the three plugs that pass through the firewall make it high dollar. It took me months to find the correct alternator plug!
Of course, right after I found one, two showed up on eBay! ( I had to buy them too!)
Larry

This thread is probably creating lots of confusion. I believe that Alf has the desire to work towards replicating the look of the cut back door car Ken Miles used for development of racing parts. That car started off like other cars of the time but changed a lot quickly and many features it had were unique to it real soon. It wasn’t really a “FIA car” or any other one rule book car. Sometimes it had to race in non-production classes because it was so unique. I don’t have any pictures of that car when it was first completed (before the metamorphosis in a much modified racer) that shows its wiring that I am aware of. It could take hours to just go look. This thread has mixed street, cut back door general, and the Ken Miles car. Part of the mix was just to give some detail on what type electrical system parts cars were getting in 1964. Late street car and late race car wiring to connect those devices are different subjects. Late race car wiring was not neat and pretty. It was crude and simple without all the group wired over-molds and neat spiral tape wraps and part number labels street cars had.

This is a blurry cut and paste alternator installation from a picture taken by the factory photographer of a freshly completed car. As an example the fancy Ford production alternator connector was not used. Instead wires were run individually with connectors installed on each individual wire. When I have said late race car wiring was custom I mean completely custom, nothing like street cars.



Bulk head wiring of the same team race car compared to a street car of the same time chassis number range. Just a handful of wires pulled through a hole in the wall.