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Old 10-10-2018, 12:37 PM
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Just how many factory race and street 427/428 FE Cobras had webbers ?
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Just how many factory race and street 427/428 FE Cobras had webbers ?

Not that it s/b considered the definitive source, but my Haynes AC/Shelby COBRA Owners' Workshop Manual contains no photos of FE-engined Cobras with Weber carbs, nor is there ANY reference of Weber carbs being available other than on 260/289 cars.



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There were no factory built 427 FE Cobras equipped with Webers, race or street models. There was a modified 289 Daytona Coupe that was built with a Weberized 427 but it was involved in a transportation accident and was sent back to the factory and converted back to small block specifications. The "Super Coupe", different than the previous model Daytona Coupe I mentioned had a Weber setup on it but that car was completed by a private party in the 1980s.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:33 PM
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That's good to know, but only sad they did not. lol

I assumed none were equiped with webbers as I've never seen any photo's or information with any. I've seen nice replicas with stack injection, both mechanical and electronic, but no origional's.

I have a TWM/BORLA for my new build 428FE, so I'm very excited.
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There is s handful that have them now.
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Very nice.

I need to paint my throttle bodies. Their black now.
The first owner spent $800 to polished the intake.
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Our shop has done a couple of conversions on FEs to Webers...
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CSX2196 testing at Riverside
Note: Weber 58 DSF carbs

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Comp classics : Where did you source the bellcrank linkage ? Been looking for some time and have been unsuccessful at finding what you have in your pic.

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Note: Weber 58 DSF carbs

Is that the turd??

Nice photo, never seen that car without paint before.
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Tom, is this CSX 2196 with a different engine and paint ?

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It is indeed
Changed today, thanks for the info Tom
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Had trouble logging into site. Was going to post what little info I know, csx2196 had a experimental 390 engine with 58 mm webbers at one time, I believe, and Holman and Moody made webber manifolds for 427 Ford engine's. There is one for sale at 2040 Parts site now I believe. Has Italian 48 mm Webber's from 1960's m4 m4 m6 m6. Anyway little late to the table and Mr. Kirkham has pictures, very nice.
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FWIW I suspect that Shelby and crew knew that 58 mm was needed to extract most out of engine. I was into drag boats and had 48 mm webbers on one of my big block chevys, it always felt choked. Motor had good response from idle but suffered at top end. I know boats and cars are two different things but if anything boats will show weakness more in my opinion. That experience made the choice to use T.W.M. a easy one. They are 58mm. Have had the Kroyer motor for over 10 years on road with no problems and made close to 700 hp. I decided to freshen the original 427 side oiler in Bennett car because it had been sitting for over 10 years. Took it back up to Engines by Rex in Sacramento and they said why don't you put your extra T.W.M. injection setup on this engine and remove the sidewinder 1 four intake. Engine made around 500 hp. before and my comment was 500 is enough. Well the injection went on and a set of aluminum heads I had, now we have close to 700 hp. My long winded story is to confirm that along with the looks of webbers or 8 stack injection they will work great on street. Also picking up few extra hp. can't be bad can it?
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I don't know it this link will work, but here is an article with some very scant information on the original application for 58 DSF models....a small block Ford race only engine. The picture is one of several Ford published in the 1962 early 1963 time frame showing an aluminum push rod valvetrain engine being developed for the INDY 500.



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Had trouble logging into site. Was going to post what little info I know, csx2196 had a experimental 390 engine with 58 mm webbers at one time, I believe, and Holman and Moody made webber manifolds for 427 Ford engine's. There is one for sale at 2040 Parts site now I believe. Has Italian 48 mm Webber's from 1960's m4 m4 m6 m6. Anyway little late to the table and Mr. Kirkham has pictures, very nice.
I went to the site, 2040 Parts, but could not find it under 427 cobra, shelby, cobra etc.but did not find anything related ?
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I don't know it this link will work, but here is an article with some very scant information on the original application for 58 DSF models....a small block Ford race only engine. The picture is one of several Ford published in the 1962 early 1963 time frame showing an aluminum push rod valvetrain engine being developed for the INDY 500.



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Never heard of that "1968 Ford also offered a "Tunnel Port" HD 302 for Trans Am racing"

Very interesting !
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Never heard of that "1968 Ford also offered a "Tunnel Port" HD 302 for Trans Am racing"

Very interesting !
The Tunnel Port 302s didn't work out well for various reasons. A few never give up types eventually got them to work and last at the same time.

There were all kinds of variations of small V8s 255 to 351 c.i.d. that Ford made for some racing application or another. That does not count the Gurney-Westlake 302s that were very strong, lots of power, very versatile, and long lasting.

The HP289s were the most widely used basic platform in the perhaps the widest variety of configurations; in some forms only a team like Shelby American could get. Example: You just won’t come across four bolt main cylinder blocks and forged steel crankshafts but they were in existence without many people knowing about them. There was even a brief flirt with Single Over Head Cam HP289s.

Not every idea or every development engine was successful enough or worth the effort to continue.
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Links to Shelby factory pictures 58 DSF carburetors.

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Sorry for the high jack...

Note the window on the drivers side valve cover.

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