Help with original cobra questions

[Mj_72]

Hello, first post here. I have some questions about original 1966 street and S/C cobras and was hoping someone had the patience and free time to enlighten me. I have searched countless pages and cant find these answers.

Did any original 428 cars have copper brake lines?

Did S/C cars come with carpeted interior or were they raw metal?

Last question and a complex one. Is a 428 street car that has been converted 85% to an S/C ( side pipes, rear flares, wheels, dash and gauges, 427 side oiler) worth more in its current state or restored back to original with a non numbers matching but period correct drivetrain?

A lot to unpack here but I appreciate the effort and interest.

[Mongoose930]

I'm pretty sure the bump was put in to accommodate the FIA suitcase. They bumped out boot on the 289 cars and did the bump on the inside of the 427 cars.

FIA Suitcase

[Mj_72]

Ok great info. Thank you.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Mj_72

Hello, first post here. I have some questions about original 1966 street and S/C cobras and was hoping someone had the patience and free time to enlighten me. I have searched countless pages and cant find these answers.

You need to refine your search parameters a bit more, as all of the following can be documented both by a simple google search, as well as SAAC records for these cars.

Originally Posted by Mj_72

Did any original 428 cars have copper brake lines?

Copper brake lines, not that I'm aware of, as copper would not stand up to the rigors of street and/or track use and would most likely not pass a tech inspection. Same goes for fuel lines.

Originally Posted by Mj_72

Did S/C cars come with carpeted interior or were they raw metal?

Depends on the car, CSX3029 (a full 427SC when new) had a carpeted interior and door panels. I have seen this car up close and in person, along with several others, but can't remember the other CSX numbers at this time.....Most, but potentially not all had full interiors when sold new.

Originally Posted by Mj_72

Last question and a complex one. Is a 428 street car that has been converted 85% to an S/C ( side pipes, rear flares, wheels, dash and gauges, 427 side oiler) worth more in its current state or restored back to original with a non numbers matching but period correct drivetrain?

Depends on more than what you have given us at this point in time. Is there racing history documented in the cars history? The cars known history will play a key roll in whether to restore it to like new, or leave it in as is condition.

What is the CSX# so we can review the known history.

Bill S.

[Dominik]

Copper work hardens during operation (vibration) and will crack. It's a no-go for roadworthy (every 2 years) in Germany. There seems to be copper version preventing this, but why bother?

I could also check the homologation papers, but they are 6.000 mls away,

If your concern is value of the car and that's your motivation to convert it back, I wouldn't.
At all, ever. Takes too much effort and time. Any capable shop is booked two years in advance.

Drive it.

Get a quote for the conversion from a well known shop, say $50.000. And it's worth now - $950.000? That's the negotiation space anyway. If you buy/sell it. 5%...

If you invest for the conversion you will get negotiated down back to where it was before.
Unless you are a good salesman, which I am not...:-)

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

You need to refine your search parameters a bit more, as all of the following can be documented both by a simple google search, as well as SAAC records for these cars.



Copper brake lines, not that I'm aware of, as copper would not stand up to the rigors of street and/or track use and would most likely not pass a tech inspection. Same goes for fuel lines.




Depends on the car, CSX3029 (a full 427SC when new) had a carpeted interior and door panels. I have seen this car up close and in person, along with several others, but can't remember the other CSX numbers at this time.....Most, but potentially not all had full interiors when sold new.



Depends on more than what you have given us at this point in time. Is there racing history documented in the cars history? The cars known history will play a key roll in whether to restore it to like new, or leave it in as is condition.

What is the CSX# so we can review the known history.

Bill S.

Some Brit cars used a steel line that was coated with a sorta copper colored plating for corrosion resistance, it is often mistaken for copper. I think this is case.

[Mj_72]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Some Brit cars used a steel line that was coated with a sorta copper colored plating for corrosion resistance, it is often mistaken for copper. I think this is case.

I would post a pic but im not sure how.

[427Larry]

First off, their were no numbers matching on 427 Cobras. CSX3200 series cars, mostly had 428's. Most S/C's had carpet on the door panels (no door pockets), and on the floor, but you could order them anyway you wanted. Search CSX3042. The owner of CSX3042, and his other Cobras, and Mopar's, were considered to be the most authentic, and period correct cars in the world. All of his cars in his collection were the best of the best, some of the rarest in the world. I knew the owner, unfortunately he passed away a few years ago. One of my friends was one of his best friends. Two of my friends took care of his collection. Renowned restorer, Dave Riley, took care of the Cobras, and Ken Bramlett, the Mopar's. Sorry I got a little off subject here. My CSX3200 car did have copper brake lines, but it had been converted early in it's life to an S/C. My CSX3100 car, I believe, had copper too, but can not remember for sure. This what I have seen personally, and when I used to judge the Cobras for the national, and local SAAC Clubs. Far as the value goes, it really depends on the particular car, and the buyer more than anything else. Hope this helps. Well, I am off to Woodward Dream Cruise, what a great time and event.

[Dan Case]

Did any original 428 cars have copper brake lines?
DC: No. Hard lines were fabricated from “Bundy Tubing”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_tube

[1985 CCX]

Hmmmmm

No
Yes, carpets usually got lost as it was pulled out. I understand all were even Comp.
Depends on race history. No history then probably yes...

[Imlumpy]

If you’re talking about a particular car , by a long shot , is it red ?

[Mj_72]

Originally Posted by Imlumpy

If you’re talking about a particular car , by a long shot , is it red ?

The car is black with black side pipes and hardware.